Chiropractic Healthiness

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> The real sign of leaky brain syndrome is that since you’re > online, you shouldn’t be "hauling" anything: > http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=lycanthropy

Bbbbut my medical dictionary has pictures. Those online dictionaries that I link to from my site are just a throwback to the old days before the net got .gif files and became the web. How can I ever go back to researching without pictures? > "Put away the good silverware, dear!  Bob and Sylvia Lycanthrope > are coming over for dinner!"

Because silver is deadly to them? Better skip the roasted garlic, too. Just beware when they have you over for dinner at the next full moon. >Hey, cool artwork! > That one baby picture’s getting around, ain’t it?

But it shows that one can never be too young to be a skeptic. A skeptic, not a cynic… http://archive.pinch.com/misc/babyflp2.jpg > I wouldn’t mind, but the six sections of the PHFAQ starting > with "And what does any of this have to do with psoriasis?" are > about how pyramid hats relate to psoriasis.  Don’t tell me you > skimmed?!

Not at all. I read every word. That first page is a kicker. The second page is a good explanation after grabbing the shoppers’attention. It’s a shame it even needs to be spelled out, but you do it in a way that will catch a few who would never take the time to visit the FTC pages. I’d be curious to see how many PHat orders you’d get anyway if you put up a form. — Ed "use smilies (or is that smileys?) where required" Anderson

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> Your medical dictionary has a picture of a lycanthrope?

Doesn’t yours?  Mine has a definition for "pyramidotomy". > Werewolves get killed by silver bullets, thus any silver may be a little > off-putting.  Garlic drives away *vampires*, although I’m sure if you eat > enough, you’ll turn a werewolf away, too.  Geez, Ed, didn’t you ever > play D&D?

Don’t get caught in those simplistic stereotypes, Dave. The mythology may share a common root. Check out the skin condition CEP: http://sciborg.uwaterloo.ca/~mtrotter/    (click on Symptoms and Myths) — Ed "garlic helps prevent hick-eze too" Anderson

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>Bbbbut my medical dictionary has pictures. Those online dictionaries >that I link to from my site are just a throwback to the old days before >the net got .gif files and became the web. How can I ever go back to >researching without pictures?

Your medical dictionary has a picture of a lycanthrope? > "Put away the good silverware, dear!  Bob and Sylvia Lycanthrope > are coming over for dinner!" >Because silver is deadly to them? Better skip the roasted garlic, too. >Just beware when they have you over for dinner at the next full moon.

Werewolves get killed by silver bullets, thus any silver may be a little off-putting.  Garlic drives away *vampires*, although I’m sure if you eat enough, you’ll turn a werewolf away, too.  Geez, Ed, didn’t you ever play D&D? >But it shows that one can never be too young to be a skeptic. >A skeptic, not a cynic… http://archive.pinch.com/misc/babyflp2.jpg

A bird lover at an early age, huh? >Not at all. I read every word. That first page is a kicker. The second >page is a good explanation after grabbing the shoppers’attention. It’s a >shame it even needs to be spelled out, but you do it in a way that will >catch a few who would never take the time to visit the FTC pages. I’d be >curious to see how many PHat orders you’d get anyway if you put up a >form.

Easier said than done on AOL. – Dave W. http://members.aol.com/psorsite/

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Gotta love the smug , in-house , elitist, condescending "humour" from two guys who are usually wrong on everything, although they usually don’t know it. Ha!  The only danger of pyramid hats is that they may ride over the ears and eyes and overheat the brain In which case you don’t even realise you have one on. Steve. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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>>Dave – I applaud your effort. Please take this as constructive >criticism – I believe its spelled "hickeys", not "hickies". >My official "Dictionary of Making Out Terms" has it as "Hick-eaze." >:-)

Ava, "Hick-eaze"?  Now that sounds like it should  be a laxative that’s used by  country folks. <[<[<[<[;-)  Jim (wearing a stack ‘o Hats!(TM) Don’t even try to blame Terry Sherman for this post. I’m messing around on his computer when I should be working.

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>Dave – I applaud your effort. Please take this as constructive >criticism – I believe its spelled "hickeys", not "hickies".

My official "Dictionary of Making Out Terms" has it as "Hick-eaze."

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>Bravo, Dave! That list of diseases is the best laugh I’ve had >today.

Thanks to you, and all the rest. >And it’s educational, too. Hadda haul out a dictionary for >"lycanthropy". Could be a sign of "leaky brain syndrome".

The real sign of leaky brain syndrome is that since you’re online, you shouldn’t be "hauling" anything:   http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=lycanthropy But you’re right, it *is* educational, as I had no idea that ‘lycanthropy’ really *is* a medical term.  I didn’t intend it as such in the ad, though – I meant honest-to-God werewolf-ism.  :) "Put away the good silverware, dear!  Bob and Sylvia Lycanthrope are coming over for dinner!" >Hey, cool artwork!

That one baby picture’s getting around, ain’t it? >If I may suggest… If you don’t narrow the audience by >mentioning psoriasis in the PHFAQ, I predict the product could >have *very* broad appeal. Expect to get links from *lots* of >consumer sites.

I wouldn’t mind, but the six sections of the PHFAQ starting with "And what does any of this have to do with psoriasis?" are about how pyramid hats relate to psoriasis.  Don’t tell me you skimmed?! >One item that could use PHFAQ emphasis is that many of the >sellers truly believe their own claims, under the mistaken >assumption that what worked for them *must* work for a broader >range of people. They seem to think that positive testimonials >prove their case.

I touch on this once, but you’re right, it needs to be expanded upon. >My main objection to Pagano’s approach is the sweeping theories >he cites as a basis for simple dietary changes. Supernatural >inspiration from Edgar Cayce’s channeled trances about nonspecific >conditions is pure bunk…

Same here (and yes, same for many other alternatives).  If Pagano’s diet works, that’s great.  Does it mean that psoriasis is caused by a leaky gut?  No.  Does it mean that Cayce was correct?  No.  The *theories* don’t need to be correct in order to deliver *results* (although with Pagano, we don’t really know what the overall results *are*).  Take aspirin, for example.  It works great, but for most of its history, we had no idea *why*.  I’m sure that questions still remain unanswered today. If Pagano’s diet ever gets a serious test, and is found to work much better than any other diet, *then* we can start to examine and formulate a viable theory as to *why* it works.  "A psychic told me so" just doesn’t cut it. >Hats off to you, Dave!

I assume you mean Pyramid Hats?  :) >Our friend Carl Sagan would be proud!

Oh, dang, Ava.  Don’t put any pressure on if there’s an afterlife, okay?! Thanks a lot!  Now I’ll just spend the next few decades worrying about what Carl will be thinking.  Geez.  :) >…Please take this as constructive criticism – I believe its spelled >"hickeys", not "hickies".

Right you are.  I believe this is the first time in my entire life I’ve tried to spell that word.  Shoulda checked.  Okay, it’s fixed.  (At least nobody seemed to notice I had "in fact" as one word on the second page). – Dave W. http://members.aol.com/psorsite/

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>    http://members.aol.com/psorsite/docs/pyrhats.html

Dave – I applaud your effort. Please take this as constructive criticism – I believe its spelled "hickeys", not "hickies". — Cheer, Jerry J http://www.jhj.com/pbooks/

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>http://members.aol.com/psorsite/docs/pyrhats.html

Dave, A very funny, creative and interesting presentation on "The Fine Art of Baloney Detection", AKA "The Pyramid Hat." Our friend Carl Sagan would be proud! Too bad the pyramid hat wasn’t invented in time to save him from Cancer, but then, he wouldn’t have been interested in it anyway! Ava

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>OK, it seems to me then that the question is: what on earth do we do >with a cure sold by quackish methods which actually works?

Get it properly tested.  Poof!  No more quackery. Sure, not so easy.  In the US, I can imagine it would take a large effort by a dedicated group of people to bring Congress, the NIH, a university or two, organizations such as the NPF, and perhaps an individual philanthropist or three together, and keep them together, long enough for funds to come from the right places and at the right times to run some good studies. Until then, the "does it work" question really isn’t answered. Basically, treat the therapy like any other drug. – Dave W. http://members.aol.com/psorsite/

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> My comment was simply a knee jerk reaction based on the fact that many have > discounted diet to me without trying it.  It doesn’t seem to be a popular topic > as evidenced by the lack of response when I discuss it but I recieve emails > from others whom it’s working for.  I love to hear what results they are > getting and hearing what works for them.  It’s a wonderful way to start the > day.

Hi Kendra, You’re relatively new here, so you’ve missed all the previous diet debates. Because it’s human nature to defend and justify our personal choices, some of the discussions have turned ugly. It’s not surprising that regular posters are reluctant to rehash what’s been written about in thousands of posts, or that lurkers would want to jump into that fire. There are many, many, stories of dietary success to be found in the archives. You may need to filter through some flames, but believe me, it’s much easier than ignoring fresh ones. Rather than hoping like minded people will email you, it’s not inappropriate to email someone to ask how they’ve progressed with something they’ve posted about in the past. You might just make *their* day, and you’ll probably get more details than you expect. People who post anonymously are obviously missing out on private feedback, but most folks maintain their pseudonym email boxes until the spam gets intolerable. I don’t change my email around because I don’t mind answering questions, especially if someone is doing their own research. http://www.pinch.com/skinny?deja=diet+cleared|working — Ed "knee jerk reactionary" Anderson

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LOL! Ah, so that’s where you’ve been, Dave. Creating this hilarious webpage! Thanks for the yuks. Jim. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->(ok, flame suit on but you can keep that hat >Actually, Pyramid Hats are flameproof: >   http://members.aol.com/psorsite/docs/pyrhats.html >- Dave W. >http://members.aol.com/psorsite/

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> Kendra (ok, flame suit on but you can keep that hat

OK, it seems to me then that the question is: what on earth do we do with a cure sold by quackish methods which actually works?

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>(ok, flame suit on but you can keep that hat

Actually, Pyramid Hats are flameproof:    http://members.aol.com/psorsite/docs/pyrhats.html – Dave W. http://members.aol.com/psorsite/

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>> (ok, flame suit on but you can keep that hat > Actually, Pyramid Hats are flameproof: >    http://members.aol.com/psorsite/docs/pyrhats.html

Bravo, Dave! That list of diseases is the best laugh I’ve had today. And it’s educational, too. Hadda haul out a dictionary for "lycanthropy". Could be a sign of "leaky brain syndrome". Hey, cool artwork! If I may suggest… If you don’t narrow the audience by mentioning psoriasis in the PHFAQ, I predict the product could have *very* broad appeal. Expect to get links from *lots* of consumer sites. One item that could use PHFAQ emphasis is that many of the sellers truly believe their own claims, under the mistaken assumption that what worked for them *must* work for a broader range of people. They seem to think that positive testimonials prove their case. The FTC has a guideline for testimonials that says they should represent a *typical* response. Unfortunately, that’s not the case with most of the quackish treatments. For every success story, there are undoubtedly many who found it a waste of time. Since this thread is about Pagano, let me cast him into that category. I’m an advocate of elimination diets. It has worked for me. Pagano, however, has a very specific diet, and some of those specifics have been repeatedly shown to be inaccurate. If someone is finding success with diet changes outside of Pagano’s strict regimen of non-nightshades, high colonics, and chiropractic adjustments, then Pagano deserves *none* of the credit. My main objection to Pagano’s approach is the sweeping theories he cites as a basis for simple dietary changes. Supernatural inspiration from Edgar Cayce’s channeled trances about nonspecific conditions is pure bunk. IMHO, it’s the same flaw found many other alternative therapies. It’s an unscientific approach that convinces the gullible and desperate among us, but makes no progress in improving any possible benefits of the regimen. Because of the bogus basis, the practitioners can’t dismiss those aspects that are useless. They end up carrying around a lot of excess baggage. Well, I’ve ranted enough, and it’s time for my dial-a-psychic reading. Hats off to you, Dave! — Ed "major kudos" Anderson

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>>> Pagano works. >Here’s the core of the problem. Like all P treatments, Pagano >*occasionally* works. In the past (and please, prove me wrong in your >case, I’d *love* for this trend to be broken!), the minute such an >observation is amde – of Pagano or whatever cure it is, conventional or >non-conventional, this extraordianry tirade starts. Those who *do* respond >to the treatment seem inclined to think that it is a failing on the part >of others if their bodies don’t respond to the specific cure which worked >for them.

I’ve never once said that it should work equally for everyone.  So far I’ve been able to keep wheat in my diet but others have told me that they have to limit or eliminate it.  But the core is diet.  Pagano is not the only one touting diet as a cure.  I’ve read others with similar ideas and results.   My comment was simply a knee jerk reaction based on the fact that many have discounted diet to me without trying it.  It doesn’t seem to be a popular topic as evidenced by the lack of response when I discuss it but I recieve emails from others whom it’s working for.  I love to hear what results they are getting and hearing what works for them.  It’s a wonderful way to start the day. That something doesn’t work for someone is not a character flaw.  It simply means altenatives must be sought.  But the first thing I’d recomend is to eliminate or add something to the diet first before discounting it completely. Everyone’s body reacts differently to different foods just like some people can eat all the pizza, burgers, and soda they want and not have P. >Steve, oftentimes I’m prone to go off on a tirade against questionable >stuff. >Whatever caused Kendra’s improvement "should" be celebrated by all >of us.  We’re all in this barrel of flakes together. Wish you the best, >Kendra. > Oohh, group hug? >Take care, Jim

Lol, thank you, Jim.  It is working and I am having a hard time not shouting it from the top of the mountain.  I avoided trying this for long enough.  My dad asked me, about a year ago, if there was anything new out that would help. Even back then, based on what I’d read and before I found Pagano, I told him I thought a vegitarian diet would work.   But I wasn’t willing to try.  Now that it’s working I wish I’d done this a long time ago.  I found when I backslide and have a soda or a beer or sugar, I get worse but when I get back on track I get better.  That’s all the proof I need that it works for me. Whether it will be a cure or not can only be proven or disproven if it’s attempted.   Kendra (ok, flame suit on but you can keep that hat

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.  Then ya need to >read up on Atkins, Pagano, Cayce, ad nauseum…… >Pagano works.

Wow, Kendra, This guy spends all that time writing his book & works as a Chiropracter, too?  "Doctor, it hurts when I do this". "Well, don’t do that. Jim.

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>> Pagano works. >Here’s the core of the problem. Like all P treatments, Pagano >*occasionally* works. In the past (and please, prove me wrong in your >case, I’d *love* for this trend to be broken!), the minute such an >observation is amde – of Pagano or whatever cure it is, conventional or >non-conventional, this extraordianry tirade starts. Those who *do* respond >to the treatment seem inclined to think that it is a failing on the part >of others if their bodies don’t respond to the specific cure which worked >for them.

Steve, oftentimes I’m prone to go off on a tirade against questionable stuff. Whatever caused Kendra’s improvement "should" be celebrated by all of us.  We’re all in this barrel of flakes together. Wish you the best, Kendra.  Oohh, group hug? Take care, Jim

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>> I’m sorry… I’ve tried reading context clues to figure it out but I > just > can’t. What is it??? > Jewlz! > Slave to the Funky Acid Cat >Well, it’s about as understandable as your sig… it’s a placeholder for >any quack cure which is proposed here by especially dimwitted and >persistent shills. Happily, the shills are too stupid to get the >allusion,s o discussion of quack cures can proceed under that banner >without them getting all bent out of shape…

<scratches head> Ok.  I got it.  ;) — Jewlz! Slave to the Funky Acid Cat < —– slang for spelling mistakes– the cat did it! —

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> Pagano works.

Here’s the core of the problem. Like all P treatments, Pagano *occasionally* works. In the past (and please, prove me wrong in your case, I’d *love* for this trend to be broken!), the minute such an observation is amde – of Pagano or whatever cure it is, conventional or non-conventional, this extraordianry tirade starts. Those who *do* respond to the treatment seem inclined to think that it is a failing on the part of others if their bodies don’t respond to the specific cure which worked for them. I’ve seen exchanges here become incredibly painful – failure to respond to a cure (radical or conventional) taken as a sign of ‘worth’ or ’self control’ or some such loss of status judgement. This seems to be a human ‘thing’ – I’ve come across it before, with people who can’t ‘take their drink’ being judged with an equivalent amount of emotional extremism. The fact that it happens in relation to a disease (and a cure) is extraordinary. Like I said, it woul dbe nice to find it didn’t happen this time…

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I’m sorry… I’ve tried reading context clues to figure it out but I just can’t. What is it??? — Jewlz! Slave to the Funky Acid Cat —

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Geez, it was well hidden.  Here’s what Dave had to say in response to Jena: >I’m sorry… I’ve tried reading context clues to figure it out but I just >can’t. What is it??? >– >Jewlz! >Slave to the Funky Acid Cat >–

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> I’m sorry… I’ve tried reading context clues to figure it out but I > just > can’t. What is it??? > Jewlz! > Slave to the Funky Acid Cat

Well, it’s about as understandable as your sig… it’s a placeholder for any quack cure which is proposed here by especially dimwitted and persistent shills. Happily, the shills are too stupid to get the allusion,s o discussion of quack cures can proceed under that banner without them getting all bent out of shape…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m sorry… I’ve tried reading context clues to figure it out but I > just > can’t. What is it??? > Jewlz! > Slave to the Funky Acid Cat >Well, it’s about as understandable as your sig… it’s a placeholder for >any quack cure which is proposed here by especially dimwitted and >persistent shills. Happily, the shills are too stupid to get the >allusion,s o discussion of quack cures can proceed under that banner >without them getting all bent out of shape…

Re: Pyramid Hats!(TM) A good fit is important, that is if you don’t wanna fall down due to blocked vision.  Makes a handy bowl for my Doritos 3-Ds(tm) when watching the tube.  Of course, you can’t set the Hat!(TM) down until it’s empty, resulting in weight-gain.  Then ya need to read up on Atkins, Pagano, Cayce, ad nauseum…… Jim "jump in anytime,Dave" Herbert ;-}

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>Of course, you can’t set the Hat!(TM) >down until it’s empty, resulting in weight-gain.  Then ya need to >read up on Atkins, Pagano, Cayce, ad nauseum……

Pagano works.

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