Chiropractic Healthiness

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>>>><<<<Uncle Saul is passing along info he’s gleaned from

experience, and other’s experiences. THIS IS A VALID METHOD of information sharing. Down, boy. Heel. : )<<<< Aaron A. Fox, PhD replied: >>><<<<Come on, Connie. "Bacteria don’t cause disease?"<<<<

Todd D. Gastaldo, DC remarks: Aaron misquotes Dr. Saul to make his point. What Dr. Saul said was, <<<<….I do not think that bacteria are the primary cause of most diseases attributed to them,…<<<< Again posting Where Medicine = Chiropractic… http://www.remarq.com/read/14325/qAfInkJ5HODEAAAAA Assuming I’ve understood Dr. Andrew Saul correctly (see below), it appears to me that he is quite close to the thinking of both the Founder of Chiropractic and one of the finest MD pathologists in history. If Prof. Fox believes that the thinking of Dr. DD Palmer and Dr. William Boyd (and Dr. Saul) is incorrect or outdated, I hope he will say why…

<<<<….I do not think that bacteria are the primary cause of most diseases attributed to them,…<<<< Aaron Fox, PhD replied: <<<<…you just know better than all those stupid scientists who have devoted careers to proving bacteria cause disease.<<<< http://www.remarq.com/read/14325/qAooXrxdyVcMC_DMt#LR Todd D. Gastaldo, DC remarks: I think Prof. Fox misunderstands what Dr. Saul is saying. Then again, perhaps I, too, misunderstand what Dr. Saul is saying. It seems to me that Dr. Saul’s thinking is quite similar to the thinking of one of the finest MD pathologists in history, William Boyd, MD.

"All human beings are infected with a host of viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites which are potentially pathogenic, but usually remain latent or silent." [Boyd W. Textbook of Pathology. Lea & Febiger, 1961:259] Boyd continued: "The incidence of latent infections is likely to increase with chemotherapy, but a state of biological equilibrium can be disturbed by any change in internal or external environment, such as change in weather, mental stress or overwork, nutritional deficiency, etc." [1961:259] Dr. DD Palmer, Founder of Chiropractic, said something quite similar; indeed, WD Harper, DC – in writing about DD’s work – noted DD’s fundamental hypothesis that disease is caused by chiropractically adjustable (no touching of the spine necessary!) EXTERNAL environmental irritants (mech/chem/psychic) causing chiropractically adjustable INTERNAL environmental irritants (mech/chem/psychic). For further details on the Founder – including 16 chiropractic college presidents getting DD’s Innate "diagnostic trick" exactly backwards – see the postscript to: Cochrane Crooks/The Great Squat Robbery… See also Harper WD. Anything Can Cause Anything: A Correlation of Dr. DD Palmer’s Principles of Chiropractic. 1974. (Attention DCs: A 1998 edited edition – which includes the transcript of Dr. Harper’s testimony in the 1966 England case – is available from Texas Chiropractic College.) Prof. Fox concluded: <<<<We must bow down. When will you be hearing from the folks at MacArthur and Nobel? Surely they must recognize the pioneering work done on epidemiology by "Doc" Saul…<<<< Prof. Fox pejorizes Dr. Saul with sarcasm and quotation marks. Again… Assuming I’ve understood Dr. Saul correctly, it appears to me that he is quite close to the thinking of the Founder of Chiropractic and one of the finest MD pathologists in history. If Prof. Fox believes that the thinking of Dr. Palmer and Dr. Boyd (and Dr. Saul) is incorrect or outdated, I hope he will say why… Todd D. Gastaldo, D.C. 8948 SW Barbur Blvd Box 6 Portland, OR 97219 FAX (815) 366-2814 TEL (503) 640-0456 http://www.egroups.com/group/chiro-list Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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This quote has been attribute to an elderly Louis Pasteur on his deathbed: The germ is nothing; the soil is everything. On the subject of causation of illness, we may turn to a basic set of premises for allopathic medicine known as Koch’s Postulates. They say that  "1) The causative microorganism must be regularly isolated from cases of the illness. 2) It must be grown in pure culture in vitro. 3) When such a pure culture is inoculated into susceptible animal species, the typical disease must result. 4) from such experimentally induced disease the microorganism must again be isolated." (4) Andrew Weil, M.D. studied Koch’s Postulates in medical school, as all doctors do, and comments: Actually, fulfillment of these postulates does no more than establish correlation between the presence of the germ in the body and the other physical manifestations of the illness as observed in animals. It does not prove that real-world patients get the same physical illness because they come into contact with the germ. You may ask, Doesn’t fulfillment of Postulate Three prove cause? The animal was healthy before the germ was put into it and sick afterward. True. But inocula- tion of germs into animals (usually by injection) is a grossly unnatural procedure that obscures the relevance of any subsequent observa- tions to the world beyond the laboratory.   …We live in a world full of germs, some of which are correlated with physical symptoms of infectious disease. But only some of us get infectious diseases some of the time. Why? Because there are factors in us that determine what kind of a relationship we will have with those germs that are always out there. (Weil, A. The Natural Mind) British naturopath Harry Benjamin, N.D. writes: Germs take part in all disease phenomena because these are pro- cesses requiring the breaking down or disintegration of accumulated refuse and toxic matter within the body, which the system is endeavoring to throw off.  But to assume, as our medical scientists do, that merely because the germs are present and active in all disease phenomena, that they are therefore the cause of the same diseases is just as wrong as it would be to assume that because germs are present and active in the decomposition process con- nected with all dead organic matter, they are the cause of the death of the organic matter in question… Germs are part of the results of the disease, not its cause. (6) (Reprinted from Chapter 5 of Doctor Yourself: A Guide to Wellness Self- Reliance, by Andrew Saul) — Over 130 germ-free articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on- site search engine) plus nearly 1,200 scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com  Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>><<<<Uncle Saul is passing along info he’s gleaned from > experience, and other’s experiences. THIS IS A VALID METHOD of > information sharing. Down, boy. Heel. : )<<<< > Aaron A. Fox, PhD replied: >>>><<<<Come on, Connie. "Bacteria don’t cause disease?"<<<< > Todd D. Gastaldo, DC remarks: > Aaron misquotes Dr. Saul to make his point. > What Dr. Saul said was, > <<<<….I do not think that bacteria are the primary cause > of most diseases attributed to them,…<<<< > Again posting Where Medicine = Chiropractic… > http://www.remarq.com/read/14325/qAfInkJ5HODEAAAAA > Assuming I’ve understood Dr. Andrew Saul correctly (see below), > it appears to me that he is quite close to the thinking of both > the Founder of Chiropractic and one of the finest MD > pathologists in history. > If Prof. Fox believes that the thinking of Dr. DD Palmer and Dr. > William Boyd (and Dr. Saul) is incorrect or outdated, I hope he > will say why… > <<<<….I do not think that bacteria are the primary cause > of most diseases attributed to them,…<<<< > Aaron Fox, PhD replied: > <<<<…you just know better than all those stupid scientists > who have devoted careers to proving bacteria cause disease.<<<< > http://www.remarq.com/read/14325/qAooXrxdyVcMC_DMt#LR > Todd D. Gastaldo, DC remarks: > I think Prof. Fox misunderstands what Dr. Saul is saying. > Then again, perhaps I, too, misunderstand what Dr. Saul is > saying. > It seems to me that Dr. Saul’s thinking is quite similar to the > thinking of one of the finest MD pathologists in history, > William Boyd, MD. > "All human beings are infected with a host of viruses, bacteria, > fungi and parasites which are potentially pathogenic, but > usually remain latent or silent." [Boyd W. Textbook of > Pathology. Lea & Febiger, 1961:259] > Boyd continued: > "The incidence of latent infections is likely to increase with > chemotherapy, but a state of biological equilibrium can be > disturbed by any change in internal or external environment, > such as change in weather, mental stress or overwork, > nutritional deficiency, etc." [1961:259] > Dr. DD Palmer, Founder of Chiropractic, said something quite > similar; indeed, WD Harper, DC – in writing about DD’s work – > noted DD’s fundamental hypothesis that disease is caused by > chiropractically adjustable (no touching of the spine > necessary!) EXTERNAL environmental irritants (mech/chem/psychic) > causing chiropractically adjustable INTERNAL environmental > irritants (mech/chem/psychic). > For further details on the Founder – including 16 chiropractic > college presidents getting DD’s Innate "diagnostic trick" > exactly backwards – see the postscript to: Cochrane Crooks/The > Great Squat Robbery… > See also Harper WD. Anything Can Cause Anything: A Correlation > of Dr. DD Palmer’s Principles of Chiropractic. 1974. (Attention > DCs: A 1998 edited edition – which includes the transcript of > Dr. Harper’s testimony in the 1966 England case – is available > from Texas Chiropractic College.) > Prof. Fox concluded: > <<<<We must bow down. When will you be hearing from the > folks at MacArthur and Nobel? Surely they must recognize the > pioneering work done on epidemiology by "Doc" Saul…<<<< > Prof. Fox pejorizes Dr. Saul with sarcasm and quotation marks. > Again… > Assuming I’ve understood Dr. Saul correctly, it appears to me > that he is quite close to the thinking of the Founder of > Chiropractic and one of the finest MD pathologists in history. > If Prof. Fox believes that the thinking of Dr. Palmer and Dr. > Boyd (and Dr. Saul) is incorrect or outdated, I hope he will say > why… > Todd D. Gastaldo, D.C. > 8948 SW Barbur Blvd > Box 6 > Portland, OR 97219 > FAX (815) 366-2814 > TEL (503) 640-0456 > http://www.egroups.com/group/chiro-list > Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com

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