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Mobile phone headaches – damage
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: The company I’m involved with has a 100% buy-back of all products bought in the : last 90 days. A fee may be charged if any products need refurbishing. : But again, no distributor need to buy stock until he’s sold it. And what if some nutcase adulterated the products and hid it well… these same (returned) products are then sold to another distributer to be again sold to the unsuspecting Public. I would not eat food returned to the grocery store,… nor take some other product someone returned. — Carol…
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> That’s all I >need to believe you that your company is decent. But if it’s MLM, it >cannot be decent
Huh? More mumbo jumbo? First you need to believe, then you already know, guess that is why your "names" are being blasted so much here lately. Get a clue!! Jan
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>Neither NuSkin nor Nikken had, at the time of >the lawsuits, a 90% inventory repurchase policy.
The company I’m involved with has a 100% buy-back of all products bought in the last 90 days. A fee may be charged if any products need refurbishing. But again, no distributor need to buy stock until he’s sold it. Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television
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>> The company I’m involved with has a 100% buy-back of all products bought in the > last 90 days. A fee may be charged if any products need refurbishing. > But again, no distributor need to buy stock until he’s sold it. >Well, do you have the figures for how much is returned for that 100 >percent buy back? And do you have the audited financial data which shows >the ratio of distributors to gross sales to unit cost? That’s all I >need to believe you that your company is decent. But if it’s MLM, it >cannot be decent. A buyback policy is good if people use it, but the >motivational seminars and tapes are there to convince people to keep >trying, aren’t they now? And there must be a time limit on returning the >stuff.
No, I don’t have those figures, but I have stated 1. The annual distributors fee is the price of the smallest product which probably does not cover the costs of administering the network. 2. Distributors are advised not to buy product until they have sold it. I don’t. 3. A fixed 32% goes to the company, 30%-50% goes to the distributor who makes the sale, and the remaining percentage goes to the upline. 4. A distributor never loses his position in the network and can rise to the same level as his upline. I believe in the products I sell, because they have worked for me and my family. Whenever I talk to people, I tell them what I do. That brings in new customers. I honestly believe in the products, I honestly believe that the company chose the right way of marketing the products, and I honestly believe that network marketing has a great future. I’ve been in broadcasting for 30 years, so I have pretty good bullshit detectors and I have not been brainwashed. Network marketing has worked well alongside my ‘day-job’ which I will pack in when I’m earning twice as much from magnets as I do from the ‘day-job’. Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television
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> Mobile Phone Waves do not cause damage but they do cause disturbance in our > brain wave patterns that may cause headache or stress and fatigue to some > persons.
According to studies in australia, these phones are cause of an increase of cases of tumors > I am not aware of any electro magnet that can reduce the incidence of such > headaches and even if it does it will also impair the mobile phone efficiency.
That’s not elecrto magnet but electromagnetic shields which are developped in th UK. They use a material similar to the one used to hide nuclear submarines. Also, portable telephones in europe are operating at a frequency in the microwave range (up to 900 megahertz, which mignt be different from yours. > I have used Pyramid Geometric Energy Patterns for energizing the mobile phones > and the experience has been satisfactory. > If you send me your snail mail address I would send you one such pattern with > my compliments with more information on how these patterns are used and how > they work.
I do make tests using a special pattern, efficient against various negative features or materials. I can send the picture by E-mail (it takes a couple of minutes) May I get yours ? Pierre De La Daviere, Paris > Kirti Betai > I have been told that their is an electro – magnet that you can stick on > your mobile that will reduce headaches and possible brain effects. > Any advice on what they are called and where they can be purchased in the uk > will be helpful.
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Greetings and Radhasoami Mobile Phone Waves do not cause damage but they do cause disturbance in our brain wave patterns that may cause headache or stress and fatigue to some persons. I am not aware of any electro magnet that can reduce the incidence of such headaches and even if it does it will also impair the mobile phone efficiency. I have used Pyramid Geometric Energy Patterns for energizing the mobile phones and the experience has been satisfactory. If you send me your snail mail address I would send you one such pattern with my compliments with more information on how these patterns are used and how they work. Kirti Betai > I have been told that their is an electro – magnet that you can stick on > your mobile that will reduce headaches and possible brain effects. > Any advice on what they are called and where they can be purchased in the uk > will be helpful. > p.s. Do mobile air waves cause damage
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> > Power of suggestion is your excuse for why homeopathy and chiropractic > gets so many glowing personal reports. I don’t think so. It is not > I instigated and am following an attempt by Homeopathy proponents to claim > Randi’s prize. One of the results of this challenge is that the man > attempting it has been banned from the Lyteforce mailing list and has had > almost no support from Homeopathists. Talk about supressive tactics. What > are they hiding? > arf
What’s the gen on this hd? I’m on that mailing list and haven’t heard a whisper. pax silverfern
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> > > Power of suggestion is your excuse for why homeopathy and chiropractic > > gets so many glowing personal reports. I don’t think so. It is not > I instigated and am following an attempt by Homeopathy proponents to claim > Randi’s prize. One of the results of this challenge is that the man > attempting it has been banned from the Lyteforce mailing list and has had > almost no support from Homeopathists. Talk about supressive tactics. What > are they hiding? > arf > What’s the gen on this hd? I’m on that mailing list and haven’t heard a > whisper.
The man’s name is John Benneth. He has made a formal application to try for the prize. His claim is that he can distinguish potentized from unpotentized homeopathic solutions (ie. homeopathic distilled water from regular distilled water). He has sent dozens of emails ranting in the usual crank paranoid fashion, that Randi is refusing to test him. He has suggested a number of ludicrous protocols but, finally, we seem to have agreed upon one. No doubt he’ll try to wriggle out of that as well. Email me if you want all the correspondence. (Over 120 emails) He also has a web page detailing his side of the story. What mailing list are you on? The discussion has been BANNED from the Lyteforce mailing list. arf
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writes: >Sure. Effects which have never been proven. Utter nonsense. And spam. >This spammer also claims that magnets increase fuel combustion efficiency and >improve car mileage. Go away.
I have no proof other than user’s letters for Magnotherapy, but I have a report on tests of our modules on cars and trucks by the UK Government Department of Trade and Industry’s Warren Spring Laboratory. This report confirms that the modules do exactly what is claimed on engines but there is no scientific theory about why it works, only conjecture so far. Magnotherapy is not easy to test on people as there is a great variation in the response to magnotherapy and we don’t know why. Exactly the same treatment will work for one person and have no effect on the next and there is no way of predicting the response. But we do seem to have a less than 20% rejection rate and we give a money back guarantee if not satisfied. I’m not prepared to stop helping people while we wait for the science behind magnotherapy to be worked out. This forum is for discussing alternative approaches to health problems. If I have a similar case that has been helped by magnotherapy, I will continue to tell people about it. I have found something that works for me and a lot of people I know. I am not claiming it cures anything, but it can relieve the symptoms and does not seem to have any harmful side effects. It works on people and animals from cats to elephants Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://hometown.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >Since there is no guarantee that kinesiology is not the veriest >> >nonsense. >> When applied kinesiology has been shown to be of value in double blind >> studies, and when applied kinesiology with magnets has been show to be >> of value in double blind studies, then I will give a damn when someone >> mentions applied kinesiology. Being stupid is NOTa prerequisite to >> learning about and using alternative healing. Being completely >> ignorant about the power of suggestion, particularly in an MLM >> setting, is not an intellectual virtue. >Admirable. When will you apply the same standards to Chiro and Homeo? >For a start. > I have never seen "applied kinesiology" used in regard to homeopathy.
I meant the condition that a modality be proven effective in double blind studies. > I have seen it applied to chiropractic.
Which proves nothing. And you appear to agree. > Power of suggestion is your excuse for why homeopathy and chiropractic > gets so many glowing personal reports. I don’t think so. It is not > that strong.
Wrong. Power of suggestion is more than adequate to explain all the effects of homeopathy and the non musculoskeletal effects of chiro. That’s why neither have EVER been able to prove otherwise. Placebo is the null hypothesis. You think that the fact that there are ever more glowing testimonials is proof. But with a lack of confirming trials it’s not. I agree that it IS evidence. But if the fabulous claims were even close to real, it would be EASY to prove SOME kind of repeatable effect. And it would be a fantastic discovery. With all their money, why haven’t Homeopathy and Chiropractic done this? Can you answer this without suggesting a conspiracy or paranoia? I instigated and am following an attempt by Homeopathy proponents to claim Randi’s prize. One of the results of this challenge is that the man attempting it has been banned from the Lyteforce mailing list and has had almost no support from Homeopathists. Talk about supressive tactics. What are they hiding? arf
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> Wright) writes: >I’d like to see some sort of mechanism by which a magnet would protect >a person against the evil radio waves, also. > It doesn’t, but it seems to be able to reverse some of the effects produced in > the body by high frequency radiation from a transmitter placed next to the > head.
Sure. Effects which have never been proven. Utter nonsense. And spam. This spammer also claims that magnets increase fuel combustion efficiency and improve car mileage. Go away. arf
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>I’m sure you’ll go >off the deep end soon and start ranting about your latest discovery in the >world of fringe science. But, for now, this is refreshing. >hd
Have you folks heard about colostrum? I cannot wait for those with vested interests to take dang near forever to get around to "discovering" something that I have tried and found valuable. I welcome scientific research, but I am not going to wait for it. Roger
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Wright) writes: >I’d like to see some sort of mechanism by which a magnet would protect >a person against the evil radio waves, also.
It doesn’t, but it seems to be able to reverse some of the effects produced in the body by high frequency radiation from a transmitter placed next to the head. Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributer http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/ Surround Sound for Television
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >Since there is no guarantee that kinesiology is not the veriest >> >nonsense. >> There is no law against someone trying to do a little blinded test >> with themselves to see if so-called applied kinesiology is of any >> value **for them**. However, in an MLM setting in front of other >> MLMers, this would be heavily frowned upon. I have found that to >> question the value of applied kinesiology or question the value of >> their products one is opening one’s self up to lots of unpleasant peer >> pressure from MLMers. >You’re starting to sound like a skeptic! Wadup? >hd > I am part skeptic, part believer. I let my intuition decide which for > which situation. Intuition is not wishful thinking. If you think so, > you just told me about yourself.
I have already given a definition for intuition. And what I meant was that you’re starting to sound more skeptical. A good sign. I’m sure you’ll go off the deep end soon and start ranting about your latest discovery in the world of fringe science. But, for now, this is refreshing. hd
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Since there is no guarantee that kinesiology is not the veriest > >nonsense. > There is no law against someone trying to do a little blinded test > with themselves to see if so-called applied kinesiology is of any > value **for them**. However, in an MLM setting in front of other > MLMers, this would be heavily frowned upon. I have found that to > question the value of applied kinesiology or question the value of > their products one is opening one’s self up to lots of unpleasant peer > pressure from MLMers. >You’re starting to sound like a skeptic! Wadup? >hd
I am part skeptic, part believer. I let my intuition decide which for which situation. Intuition is not wishful thinking. If you think so, you just told me about yourself. Roger
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> >Since there is no guarantee that kinesiology is not the veriest >nonsense. > There is no law against someone trying to do a little blinded test > with themselves to see if so-called applied kinesiology is of any > value **for them**. However, in an MLM setting in front of other > MLMers, this would be heavily frowned upon. I have found that to > question the value of applied kinesiology or question the value of > their products one is opening one’s self up to lots of unpleasant peer > pressure from MLMers.
You’re starting to sound like a skeptic! Wadup? hd
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Since there is no guarantee that kinesiology is not the veriest > >nonsense. > When applied kinesiology has been shown to be of value in double blind > studies, and when applied kinesiology with magnets has been show to be > of value in double blind studies, then I will give a damn when someone > mentions applied kinesiology. Being stupid is NOTa prerequisite to > learning about and using alternative healing. Being completely > ignorant about the power of suggestion, particularly in an MLM > setting, is not an intellectual virtue. >Admirable. When will you apply the same standards to Chiro and Homeo? >For a start.
I have never seen "applied kinesiology" used in regard to homeopathy. I have seen it applied to chiropractic. Power of suggestion is your excuse for why homeopathy and chiropractic gets so many glowing personal reports. I don’t think so. It is not that strong. Roger
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>Since there is no guarantee that kinesiology is not the veriest >nonsense.
There is no law against someone trying to do a little blinded test with themselves to see if so-called applied kinesiology is of any value **for them**. However, in an MLM setting in front of other MLMers, this would be heavily frowned upon. I have found that to question the value of applied kinesiology or question the value of their products one is opening one’s self up to lots of unpleasant peer pressure from MLMers. Roger
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> >Since there is no guarantee that kinesiology is not the veriest >nonsense. > When applied kinesiology has been shown to be of value in double blind > studies, and when applied kinesiology with magnets has been show to be > of value in double blind studies, then I will give a damn when someone > mentions applied kinesiology. Being stupid is NOTa prerequisite to > learning about and using alternative healing. Being completely > ignorant about the power of suggestion, particularly in an MLM > setting, is not an intellectual virtue.
Admirable. When will you apply the same standards to Chiro and Homeo? For a start. hd
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>Since there is no guarantee that kinesiology is not the veriest >nonsense.
When applied kinesiology has been shown to be of value in double blind studies, and when applied kinesiology with magnets has been show to be of value in double blind studies, then I will give a damn when someone mentions applied kinesiology. Being stupid is NOTa prerequisite to learning about and using alternative healing. Being completely ignorant about the power of suggestion, particularly in an MLM setting, is not an intellectual virtue. Roger
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I have been told that their is an electro – magnet that you can stick on your mobile that will reduce headaches and possible brain effects. Any advice on what they are called and where they can be purchased in the uk will be helpful. p.s. Do mobile air waves cause damage
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>I have been told that their is an electro – magnet that you can stick on >your mobile that will reduce headaches and possible brain effects. >Any advice on what they are called and where they can be purchased in the uk >will be helpful. >p.s. Do mobile air waves cause damage
I’m a distributor for one of the UK magnotherapy units, and I’ve had some comments about our units doing this, but no proof. Kinesiology muscle testing seems to show that mobile phones can affect muscle strength and our unit seems to reverse the effect, but there can be no guarantees. The easiest cure for headaches would be to use a hands free unit and keep the phone away from your head. Roger Coghill. a UK Biologist, has done some tesst on mobile phones effects on the immune system which seem to show quite drastic effects with digital phones damaging white blood cells even in stand-by mode. This has been reported in the National Press over here. Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director & Magnotherapy user http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy Surround Sound for Television
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>>I have been told that their is an electro – magnet that you can stick on >your mobile that will reduce headaches and possible brain effects. >Any advice on what they are called and where they can be purchased in the uk >will be helpful. >p.s. Do mobile air waves cause damage >I’m a distributor for one of the UK magnotherapy units, and I’ve had some >comments about our units doing this, but no proof. >Kinesiology muscle testing seems to show that mobile phones can >affect muscle strength and our unit seems to reverse the effect, but >there can be no guarantees.
Since there is no guarantee that kinesiology is not the veriest nonsense. I’d like to see some sort of mechanism by which a magnet would protect a person against the evil radio waves, also. — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "Few things give a greater feeling of security than a full gas tank."