Chiropractic Healthiness

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If you want to promote the limu without being accused of being a spammer, why not give a bottle to Jan.  I don’t think anyone would say that she’s a spammer, and she’s quite well known in this newsgroup. She’s got a few mild to serious health problems, for which she takes some very serious medication, the anti-peripheral-neuropathy drug Neurontin and the anti-depressant Elavil. With her attitude toward conventional medicine, I’m sure she wouldn’t take either drug unless she absolutely had to. If your limu is so great, she would be a perfect subject on which to prove it.  She can’t be accused of having an anti-alt bias, and she’s got a couple different areas which could be helped.  I don’t believe she would lie about the effect (if any) that limu would have on her, and if I would believe her on this matter I think most of the newsgroup would also. I know I’d be impressed if your product could affect Jan’s health to the extent that she could quit either drug permanently.  I’d be considerably less impressed by any other outcome, because any other outcome would be ambiguous.  But if you could get her off either drug, I would be very impressed by that.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If you want to promote the limu without being > accused of being a spammer, why not give > a bottle to Jan.  I don’t think anyone would > say that she’s a spammer, and she’s quite > well known in this newsgroup. > She’s got a few mild to serious health problems, > for which she takes some very serious > medication, the anti-peripheral-neuropathy > drug Neurontin and the anti-depressant Elavil. > With her attitude toward conventional medicine, > I’m sure she wouldn’t take either drug unless > she absolutely had to. > If your limu is so great, she would be a perfect > subject on which to prove it.  She can’t be > accused of having an anti-alt bias, and she’s > got a couple different areas which could be > helped.  I don’t believe she would lie about the > effect (if any) that limu would have on her, and > if I would believe her on this matter I think most > of the newsgroup would also. > I know I’d be impressed if your product > could affect Jan’s health to the extent that she > could quit either drug permanently.  I’d be > considerably less impressed by any other > outcome, because any other outcome would > be ambiguous.  But if you could get her off > either drug, I would be very impressed by > that.

That’s possible…..but please keep in mind that  my goal is not to "impress, convince or prove anything to you or anyone else.  I simply would like to be able to share/recommend this dietary supplement to others in this ng (buying direct from company) without being "jumped on" everytime I mention it.  If I were profiting from it, I could understand, but I’ve made it clear, people do not need me to order product… I will contact Jan and discuss the possibility with her.  We’ll see. Cher

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> That’s possible…..but please keep in mind that  my goal is not to > "impress, convince or prove anything to you or anyone else.  I simply would > like to be able to share/recommend this dietary supplement to others in this > ng (buying direct from company) without being "jumped on" everytime I > mention it.  If I were profiting from it, I could understand, but I’ve made

But you are profiting from it.  That’s why your testimonial is (and always will be) viewed as suspect.  We’ve seen lots of MLM distributors in this newsgroup, and they’ve always been willing to say anything to peddle their wares. Jan isn’t selling anything, which is why her testimonial wouldn’t automatically be suspect. > it clear, people do not need me to order product… > I will contact Jan and discuss the possibility with her.  We’ll see.

I predict she won’t be willing to try it.  But we shall see, right?

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> That’s possible…..but please keep in mind that  my goal is not to > "impress, convince or prove anything to you or anyone else.  I simply would > like to be able to share/recommend this dietary supplement to others in this > ng (buying direct from company) without being "jumped on" everytime I > mention it.  If I were profiting from it, I could understand, but I’ve made > But you are profiting from it.

How the heck can I profit (financially) if the people ordering directly from the company, don’t know who I am?   Please explain how that’s possible?  That’s why your > testimonial is (and always will be) viewed as > suspect.  We’ve seen lots of MLM distributors > in this newsgroup, and they’ve always been > willing to say anything to peddle their wares. > Jan isn’t selling anything, which is why her > testimonial wouldn’t automatically be suspect.

But it still could be "suspect"? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> it clear, people do not need me to order product… > I will contact Jan and discuss the possibility with her.  We’ll see. > I predict she won’t be willing to try it.  But > we shall see, right?

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>Jan hasn’t responded to my email…plus my husband says I’m not being very >smart about this

He’s quite right. >…after all…..I don’t "really" know Jan.  I’ve only been >in this group a short time, for all I know Jan could be a hypochondriac, >which would mean nothing would help her problems…

Bingo!!! >(sorry Jan….this >probably is not the case, but as my husband said, I just don’t know).  Also, >are you suggesting that the only way I can mention the product within this >group (and not be accused of spamming) is to give it away?

No, just don’t mention it outside of the context of scientific evidence. >I keep getting accused of spamming…Mark, would you please explain/show me >where I have spammed…better yet…what is the true definition of spam?  I >obviously have this word mixed up with something else. >Cher

Yes, you have spam and appropriate behavior cross-linked.

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>> I would need to study more about it and make sure there would be no problem > with what I am taking. However Mark, I think you are aware that one bottle > might not show any effects. Just as with any herb, vitamin or drug, it >takes > times to see results. >I agree, especially peripheral neuropathy.  I had >a minor case, and it took a long time to go away.

Yes, it must have been minor. Did it go away all on it’s own? >I would guess a more serious case like yours >could easily take a couple of months to show >any improvement at all.  But to hear Cher tell it, >you’ll know limu’s improving your health pretty >quickly.  She was already extolling its virtues >within a month of the product’s release.

Was that based on results from others? >I don’t think that you’d be able to quit Neurontin >that soon, no matter how good the limu could >be.  But if what Cher says is true, you will feel >so good about the limu after a month of using it >that you’ll keep on using it even you had to buy it.

First of all if I try it I will NOT let anyone give it to me. >I’d be prepared to wait a year or more >for you to quit the Neurontin. > >I know I’d be impressed if your product > >could affect Jan’s health to the extent that she > >could quit either drug permanently. > So would I. Aren’t you asking a bit much to expect it to heal a badly >damaged > central nervous system? The peripheral neuropathy in my feet? >You’ve got a couple of different conditions >to cure.

Such as? > If it doesn’t help with the Neurontin, >maybe it’ll help with the Elavil.  If you read >the product warning for Elavil, it seems >downright scary — not the sort of thing you >should plan on taking forever.  (At least that’s >my reaction — not a professional judgement.)

Glad to hear you realize the dangers and side effects of drugs. Doesn’t ring true though, as you keep posting Quack Barrett’s websites. Next, you probably don’t realize the Elavil is given for headaches? >I’d accept getting you off either Neurontin or >Elavil as a mighty achievement, worth listening >to in this newsgroup.

Great! Have you accepted that I did indeed have mercury poisoning as well? That my mercury level started dropping AFTER the metal was removed from my mouth? This would go against the current *organized* medicine and dentistry’s denial,,,,,,,,,,,,NOT to mention Quack Barrett’s pure garbage on the subject. You didn’t answer my questions Mark. Why is it that you believe I have PN, but NOT MP? > >I’d be > >considerably less impressed by any other > >outcome, because any other outcome would > >be ambiguous. > No Mark, that isn’t fair. many drugs are prescribed that do not work for > certain poeple. It took Diamond Headache Clinic 10 years to find a drug >that > helped my headaches. > You not fooling anyone here Mark. You want me to take one bottle of > Limu,,,,,,,,,,and boom,,,,,,,,,my PN is healed. >No, I don’t believe that even in the best possible >case it would be an instant cure. >But if it’s as good >as Cher says, it should do _something_, right?

Depends on the person, just as will any drug. You seem obsessed with any alt. product and it’s claims,,,,,,,,but this happens ALL the time in conv. medicine as well. You don’t question that ah? >And if it was good enough that you continued >taking it, I’m prepared to wait a year or two >to see if there was positive result.

Sure you are! And if it helped me you would readily accept that *IT* indeed did?? You have said that you believe I would tell the truth. I appreciate that,,,,,,,,,,however, if that is the case and you believe me to be honest,,,,,,,,,,,,why do you doubt that I had mercury poisoning? > I don’t think so,,,,,,,,,,,,and neither do you. > >But if you could get her off > >either drug, I would be very impressed by > >that. > I haven’t read read all the claims you have accused Cher of making, but I >smell > a rat Mark. >If the limu could just reduce your paranoia …

What paranoia? Please be specific. Or did you just throw that in because I am regaining my health through alt. medicine? > no, that _really_ would be asking too much.

I see. You believe I have PN, you believe I would be honest,,,,,,,,,,,BUT? You seemed to throw in a bit of personal trashing RIGHT AFTER,,,,,,,,,I said I smell a rat. > BUT I would be VERY IMPRESSED and GRATEFUL if anything could get me off my > medicine. >So, how ’bout it Cher?  Can you forward a request >to headquarters to see if they’ll cover the cost?

I can answer that,,,,,,,,,, NO. If I chose to take the product, I will pay for it! >It could be the best publicity they ever get.

You are concerned about publicity? >Jan is the epitome of your target market.  She’s >a consumer of everything alternative.

Hey Mark, if you don’t mind I will speak for myself. I just told you I do my own research and THEN make my decision. The above is false. > She sees >a chiropractor regularly.

She reads the books, >and knows the stuff they don’t teach in school.

Yep,,,,,,,,,,,,I am NOT brainwashed. They teach in school ONLY what they choose to believe. If it isn’t in the little recipe book of *organized* medicine and dentistry,,,,,,,,,,it is a mental and imagined condition,,,,,,,,right Mark? >Hypochondriac? I’m surprised that you would

even bring that word up.  In here, of all places! Really,,,,,,,,,,,,,,let me ask you Mark, what you would think if you were Cher’s husband? What happened to being gullible, and critical thinking skills? >It’s called being educated — about nutrition, >toxins, parasites, magnets.

My my,,,,,,,,,,,,,,my smelling a rat must have hit home,,,,,,,,ah Mark? Jan The world cares very little about what a person knows; it is what the person is able to do that counts. Booker T Washington

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**>> > But you are profiting from it. Hummmm … profitting. How bout finding out how much Quack Barrett "profits" from his "expert witness" (cough, cough) testimonies.

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> I would need to study more about it and make sure there would be no problem > with what I am taking. However Mark, I think you are aware that one bottle > might not show any effects. Just as with any herb, vitamin or drug, it takes > times to see results.

I agree, especially peripheral neuropathy.  I had a minor case, and it took a long time to go away. I would guess a more serious case like yours could easily take a couple of months to show any improvement at all.  But to hear Cher tell it, you’ll know limu’s improving your health pretty quickly.  She was already extolling its virtues within a month of the product’s release. I don’t think that you’d be able to quit Neurontin that soon, no matter how good the limu could be.  But if what Cher says is true, you will feel so good about the limu after a month of using it that you’ll keep on using it even if you had to buy it.  I’d be prepared to wait a year or more for you to quit the Neurontin. >I know I’d be impressed if your product >could affect Jan’s health to the extent that she >could quit either drug permanently. > So would I. Aren’t you asking a bit much to expect it to heal a badly damaged > central nervous system? The peripheral neuropathy in my feet?

You’ve got a couple of different conditions to cure.  If it doesn’t help with the Neurontin, maybe it’ll help with the Elavil.  If you read the product warning for Elavil, it seems downright scary — not the sort of thing you should plan on taking forever.  (At least that’s my reaction — not a professional judgement.) I’d accept getting you off either Neurontin or Elavil as a mighty achievement, worth listening to in this newsgroup. >I’d be >considerably less impressed by any other >outcome, because any other outcome would >be ambiguous. > No Mark, that isn’t fair. many drugs are prescribed that do not work for > certain poeple. It took Diamond Headache Clinic 10 years to find a drug that > helped my headaches. > You not fooling anyone here Mark. You want me to take one bottle of > Limu,,,,,,,,,,and boom,,,,,,,,,my PN is healed.

No, I don’t believe that even in the best possible case it would be an instant cure.  But if it’s as good as Cher says, it should do _something_, right? And if it was good enough that you continued taking it, I’m prepared to wait a year or two to see if there was positive result. > I don’t think so,,,,,,,,,,,,and neither do you. >But if you could get her off >either drug, I would be very impressed by >that. > I haven’t read read all the claims you have accused Cher of making, but I smell > a rat Mark.

If the limu could just reduce your paranoia … … no, that _really_ would be asking too much. > BUT I would be VERY IMPRESSED and GRATEFUL if anything could get me off my > medicine.

So, how ’bout it Cher?  Can you forward a request to headquarters to see if they’ll cover the cost? It could be the best publicity they ever get. Jan is the epitome of your target market.  She’s a consumer of everything alternative.  She sees a chiropractor regularly.  She reads the books, and knows the stuff they don’t teach in school. Hypochondriac?  I’m surprised that you would even bring that word up.  In here, of all places! It’s called being educated — about nutrition, toxins, parasites, magnets.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > That’s possible…..but please keep in mind that  my goal is not to > > > "impress, convince or prove anything to you or anyone else.  I simply > would > > > like to be able to share/recommend this dietary supplement to others >in > this > > > ng (buying direct from company) without being "jumped on" everytime I > > > mention it.  If I were profiting from it, I could understand, but I’ve > made > > But you are profiting from it. > How the heck can I profit (financially) if the people ordering directly >from > the company, don’t know who I am?   Please explain how that’s possible? >  That’s why your > > testimonial is (and always will be) viewed as > > suspect.  We’ve seen lots of MLM distributors > > in this newsgroup, and they’ve always been > > willing to say anything to peddle their wares. > > Jan isn’t selling anything, which is why her > > testimonial wouldn’t automatically be suspect. > But it still could be "suspect"? > > > it clear, people do not need me to order product… > > > I will contact Jan and discuss the possibility with her.  We’ll see. > > I predict she won’t be willing to try it.  But > > we shall see, right? >Jan hasn’t responded to my email.

Just got back from a cruise at Cape Canaveral, haven’t read it yet. >plus my husband says I’m not being very >smart about this…after all…..I don’t "really" know Jan.  I’ve only been >in this group a short time, for all I know Jan could be a hypochondriac, >which would mean nothing would

help her problems… (sorry Jan….this >probably is not the case, but as my husband said, I just don’t know).

No problem, I can understand, however he is wrong. >Also, >are you suggesting that the only way I can mention the product within this >group (and not be accused of spamming) is to give it away?

Mark is baiting you, which is a old trick of the debunkers. See my post to him. This is just another attempt to run you off. >I keep getting accused of spamming…Mark, would you please explain/show me >where I have spammed…better yet…what is the true definition of spam?  I >obviously have this word mixed up with something else. >Cher

This is Mark’s and the debunkers typical behavior. Don’t feel alone, I have been called everything in the books and some that aren’t. The main reason is that we believe in alt. medicine. Keep right on with the discussions here, everyone knows how they are. Their attempts at personal trashing just shows it. Of couse they are protecting *organized* medicine. They have NO idea what others have been though that has caused them to turn to alt. medicine,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what really is the pity is that they are so brainwashed,,,,,,,,,they really don’t care. Jan The world cares very little about what a person knows; it is what the person is able to do that counts. Booker T Washington

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > That’s possible…..but please keep in mind that  my goal is not to > > "impress, convince or prove anything to you or anyone else.  I simply >would > > like to be able to share/recommend this dietary supplement to others in >this > > ng (buying direct from company) without being "jumped on" everytime I > > mention it.  If I were profiting from it, I could understand, but I’ve >made > But you are profiting from it. >How the heck can I profit (financially) if the people ordering directly from >the company, don’t know who I am?   Please explain how that’s possible? > That’s why your > testimonial is (and always will be) viewed as > suspect.  We’ve seen lots of MLM distributors > in this newsgroup, and they’ve always been > willing to say anything to peddle their wares. > Jan isn’t selling anything, which is why her > testimonial wouldn’t automatically be suspect. >But it still could be "suspect"? > > it clear, people do not need me to order product… > > I will contact Jan and discuss the possibility with her.  We’ll see. > I predict she won’t be willing to try it.  But > we shall see, right?

I haven’t read all the posts made today, (just got home) but where did this come from? It isn’t in Mark’s post I just answered. Who made this prediction,,,,,,,,,,and why? Next: Mark doesn’t believe I have mercury poisoning from mercury amalgams, but just like the rest of the debunkers,,,,,,,,,they do believe I have PN. Why is that? My mercury poisoning is suspect,,,,,,,,,,,,if Limu helped me to jump over the moon and I had a PICTURE,,,,,,,,,,,,it would still be suspect! I am open to trying new things, AFTER I have checked them out,,,,,,,,,,,but this is nothing other than a trick, IMHO.  You don’t believe any of the anecdotes made here,,,,,,,,,but this will be a one time exception? I was born 62 years ago,,,,,,,,,,,not yesterday. Jan The world cares very little about what a person knows; it is what the person is able to do that counts. Booker T Washington

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >If you want to promote the limu without being >accused of being a spammer, why not give >a bottle to Jan.  I don’t think anyone would >say that she’s a spammer, and she’s quite >well known in this newsgroup. >She’s got a few mild to serious health problems, >for which she takes some very serious >medication, the anti-peripheral-neuropathy >drug Neurontin and the anti-depressant Elavil. >With her attitude toward conventional medicine, >I’m sure she wouldn’t take either drug unless >she absolutely had to.

That’s correct. >If your limu is so great, she would be a perfect >subject on which to prove it.  She can’t be >accused of having an anti-alt bias, and she’s >got a couple different areas which could be >helped.  I don’t believe she would lie about the >effect (if any) that limu would have on her, and >if I would believe her on this matter I think most >of the newsgroup would also.

I would need to study more about it and make sure there would be no problem with what I am taking. However Mark, I think you are aware that one bottle might not show any effects. Just as with any herb, vitamin or drug, it takes times to see results. >I know I’d be impressed if your product >could affect Jan’s health to the extent that she >could quit either drug permanently.

So would I. Aren’t you asking a bit much to expect it to heal a badly damaged central nervous system? The peripheral neuropathy in my feet? >I’d be >considerably less impressed by any other >outcome, because any other outcome would >be ambiguous.

No Mark, that isn’t fair. many drugs are prescribed that do not work for certain poeple. It took Diamond Headache Clinic 10 years to find a drug that helped my headaches. You not fooling anyone here Mark. You want me to take one bottle of Limu,,,,,,,,,,and boom,,,,,,,,,my PN is healed. I don’t think so,,,,,,,,,,,,and neither do you. >But if you could get her off >either drug, I would be very impressed by >that.

I haven’t read read all the claims you have accused Cher of making, but I smell a rat Mark. BUT I would be VERY IMPRESSED and GRATEFUL if anything could get me off my medicine. Jan The world cares very little about what a person knows; it is what the person is able to do that counts. Booker T Washington

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > That’s possible…..but please keep in mind that  my goal is not to > > "impress, convince or prove anything to you or anyone else.  I simply > would > > like to be able to share/recommend this dietary supplement to others in > this > > ng (buying direct from company) without being "jumped on" everytime I > > mention it.  If I were profiting from it, I could understand, but I’ve > made > But you are profiting from it. > How the heck can I profit (financially) if the people ordering directly from > the company, don’t know who I am?   Please explain how that’s possible? >  That’s why your > testimonial is (and always will be) viewed as > suspect.  We’ve seen lots of MLM distributors > in this newsgroup, and they’ve always been > willing to say anything to peddle their wares. > Jan isn’t selling anything, which is why her > testimonial wouldn’t automatically be suspect. > But it still could be "suspect"? > > it clear, people do not need me to order product… > > I will contact Jan and discuss the possibility with her.  We’ll see. > I predict she won’t be willing to try it.  But > we shall see, right?

Jan hasn’t responded to my email…plus my husband says I’m not being very smart about this…after all…..I don’t "really" know Jan.  I’ve only been in this group a short time, for all I know Jan could be a hypochondriac, which would mean nothing would help her problems… (sorry Jan….this probably is not the case, but as my husband said, I just don’t know).  Also, are you suggesting that the only way I can mention the product within this group (and not be accused of spamming) is to give it away? I keep getting accused of spamming…Mark, would you please explain/show me where I have spammed…better yet…what is the true definition of spam?  I obviously have this word mixed up with something else. Cher

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> If you want to promote the limu without being > accused of being a spammer, why not give > a bottle to Jan.  I don’t think anyone would > say that she’s a spammer, and she’s quite > well known in this newsgroup.

Sounds like a good idea. See’s how you thought of it why don’t you pay for the Limu and the air freight? Oh and I almost forgot. You can talk it over with Jan to see if she wants to go along with it. Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> She’s got a few mild to serious health problems, > for which she takes some very serious > medication, the anti-peripheral-neuropathy > drug Neurontin and the anti-depressant Elavil. > With her attitude toward conventional medicine, > I’m sure she wouldn’t take either drug unless > she absolutely had to. > If your limu is so great, she would be a perfect > subject on which to prove it.  She can’t be > accused of having an anti-alt bias, and she’s > got a couple different areas which could be > helped.  I don’t believe she would lie about the > effect (if any) that limu would have on her, and > if I would believe her on this matter I think most > of the newsgroup would also. > I know I’d be impressed if your product > could affect Jan’s health to the extent that she > could quit either drug permanently.  I’d be > considerably less impressed by any other > outcome, because any other outcome would > be ambiguous.  But if you could get her off > either drug, I would be very impressed by > that.

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