Chiropractic Healthiness

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2 WAY TIE FOR FIRST PLACE —- First prize winners: …you’d rather screw the country than an intern. – submitted by anonymous —- …you have a borderline psychotic obsession with the fact that Bill Clinton was elected President. Twice. Fair and Square. Don’t you tell me to "just get over it." submitted by N.O. —- 3 WAY TIE FOR SECOND PLACE Second Place Winners: …while watching reruns of All In The Family, you wonder why the audience laughs when Archie Bunker says something that "makes sense". —- …you secretly suspect that J.C. Watts is the guy who stole your hubcaps at last year’s RNC fundraiser. —- …the person sitting next to you on the plane asks to be reseated in the overhead baggage compartment. submitted by Bill Hamm —- 3 WAY TIE FOR THIRD PLACE …you think that manual labor is the President of Mexico. submitted by – anonymous —- …you think that oral sex rises to the level of an "impeachable offense," but stealing an election doesn’t. submitted by Otis Galloway —- …you believe brown skin or immigration status are probable cause. submitted by anonymous —- Honorable Mention Winners: … if you make your children listen to talk radio during target practice. —- …if you think it would have been unconstitutional to count the votes in Florida in 2000. submitted by anonymous —- …you think all those starving kids in Somalia should quit begging and get a job. —- …you can link Clinton to every conceivable situation that developed worldwide from 1992-2000. —- …you honestly think that Bush is great even if his policies cost you your job, your home, your savings and the life of your child in war, but at least he didn’t get a b—j–. —- .You think its fair for the poor to give up their oil subsidies so the rich can get a tax break. —- …after voting against all civil rights legislation, you wonder why minorities don’t vote republican. —- …you think that the right way to fix our schools is to post the Ten Commandments —- …you’re on medicare, need prescription drug help & still voted for the village idiot (dumbya) – cephil —- …if you make less than $40,000/year and think the only thing standing between you and wealth, is less government regulation, lower taxes and the end of affirmative action. Tim Sites —- — you think that it is necessary to wage war with "axis of evil" Iraq, a nation that has declared it has no weapons of mass destruction, but, on the other hand, insist on negotiation and diplomacy with "axis of evil" North Korea because they have openly declared they have weapons of mass destruction and WILL use them, if necessary. -anonymous —- …you believe that the coal, oil, and nuclear industries will police themselves if the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts are weakened. Gary McCoy —- …you think blacks have the same "voice" as whites do! —- …. your heart bleeds oil. Kahlil at http://reachm.crimsonblog.com/ —- …you think Government (regulation) is bad and Corporate greed is good. (unless it is time to bail out the corporate misfits, ie. Savings & loans, Airline Industry, Energy industry, Auto Makers etc etc.) —- Below are submissions after our contest ended:  Add your own at the bottom of the page. —- …you believe God Guns and Guts is either moral, logical or literate. -anonymous —- ……you use Jesus and guns in the same sentence. —- …your solution for everything are tax cuts – aaron —- …you think the fact that under Dubya’s rule we now have fewer jobs, a shaky economy, and a multi-billion-dollar deficit–rather than the expanding economy, low unemployment and multi-billion-dollar surplus we had when Clinton left office–is still somehow Clinton’s fault. —- …you think other people should have fewer children but you won’t allow sex education in schools because those horny teenagers might get ideas. by Syd —- …you really think creationism is a science, Darwin was the devil, and all those million-year-old fossils were put into the geologic substrate by a God with a warped sense of humor strictly to pinpoint the godless and make them easier to send to hell.  by Syd —- …you’d rather build prisons than schools.    by Syd —- …you think for a second your money makes you a better person. —- …you own a chocolate company that has "temp" workers that have been there for 10 years with no benefits or paid time off. —- …you write a book called "the book of virtues" and then blow $8M in gambling over the course of 10+ years —- …that sleeping with your first cousin is alright but god forbid two people of the same gender try and build a life together. —- …if you think Choice Point should come and re-invent the voting process in your state, too. —- …if for a second you think we "won" in iraq when all we really won was the ire of the iraqi people and the european union voting to slap sky-high tariffs on all american imports in retaliation for our "just war of liberation." —- …you think "children are our most precious gift" and then think it’s ok to bomb the sh*t out of a country where 50% of the population is under the age of 15 —- …you think that having a few thousand dollars in an employer sponsored 401(k) makes you part of the "investor class" —- …you scream at women that life is sacred and abortion is not a choice but never have gone and adopted at least a 6-pack of the "special needs" and unwanted children yourself —- …you can’t wait for President Jeb Bush in 2008. —- …you’ve never looked up the definition of ‘liberal’, but you know it’s gotta have something to do with commies.. —- …you call yourself "pro-life" when all you really care about is the birth. Then the poor schlub is on his/her own ’cause "I’ve given you the chance." John P. —- …you are convinced that quiche is part of a French conspiracy to deplete good red-blooded Americans of their ‘precious bodily fluids’. Eric M —- …the fact that your parents only owned one house and one car, in your mind, qualifies you as an expert on … read more »

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To be a liberal, you have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of funding. To be a liberal, you have to be against capital punishment but for abortion on demand-in short, you support protecting the guilty and killing the innocent. To be a liberal, you have to believe that the same . . . public school [teacher] who can’t teach 4th graders how to read is qualified to teach those same kids about sex. To be a liberal, you have to believe that trial lawyers are selfless heroes and doctors are overpaid. To be a liberal, you have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than nuclear weapons in the hands of the Red Chinese. To be a liberal, you have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the brilliance of the Sun, and more affected by yuppies driving SUVs. To be a liberal, you have to believe that gender roles are artificial, but being gay is natural. To be a liberal, you have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity. To be a liberal, you have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it. To be a liberal, you have to believe there was no art before federal funding. To be a liberal, you have to believe the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars. To be a liberal, you have to believe the NRA is bad, because they stand up for certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good, because they stand up for certain parts of the Constitution. To be a liberal, you have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides aren’t. To be a liberal, you have to believe conservatives are racists but that black people couldn’t make it without your help. –Trey Garrison Excerpts from "A Philosophy for Liars and Lawyers"

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CPAviator, you are a GOD. Nice work. TamPax will go into a shit-fit after he reads this. Phil Farano Ampmedic

To be a liberal, you have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of funding. To be a liberal, you have to be against capital punishment but for abortion on demand-in short, you support protecting the guilty and killing the innocent. To be a liberal, you have to believe that the same . . . public school [teacher] who can’t teach 4th graders how to read is qualified to teach those same kids about sex. To be a liberal, you have to believe that trial lawyers are selfless heroes and doctors are overpaid. To be a liberal, you have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than nuclear weapons in the hands of the Red Chinese. To be a liberal, you have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the brilliance of the Sun, and more affected by yuppies driving SUVs. To be a liberal, you have to believe that gender roles are artificial, but being gay is natural. To be a liberal, you have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity. To be a liberal, you have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it. To be a liberal, you have to believe there was no art before federal funding. To be a liberal, you have to believe the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars. To be a liberal, you have to believe the NRA is bad, because they stand up for certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good, because they stand up for certain parts of the Constitution. To be a liberal, you have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides aren’t. To be a liberal, you have to believe conservatives are racists but that black people couldn’t make it without your help. –Trey Garrison Excerpts from "A Philosophy for Liars and Lawyers"

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> CPAviator, you are a GOD. > Nice work. > TamPax will go into a shit-fit after he reads this. > Phil Farano > Ampmedic

You really think so, Phil? Read again: PREREQUISITES TO BEING A NEOFASCIST REBUBLIKLAN MORON: 1)You should already know the AIDS virus was initiated by the CIA to depopulate social undesirables – gays and junkies. 2)You have to have homicidal tendencies for revenge to be all for capital punishment and for warmongering even if civilian pregnant mothers are killed in battle, but you also have to have a hypocritical concern for unborn humans to ease your conscience about it along with a good euphemism to explain it all away. 3)You have to believe that public school teachers can’t teach 4th graders how to read and there should be no mention of any kind of education about sex so n

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Found another doctor, within two days he’ll give some information followed by tests. keep you updated YES!! Bell – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just paid a visit to the doctor, I had some issues with my hand and wrist. > Hand feeling numb, totally stressed in the morning. It hurts like hell to > open and close it (left side, fretting hand) > I’ve been having a thorasic outlet syndrome for about a year, which is > explaining the numbness and tintling. > Not seeing the chiropractor for about half a year the problems came back > about two weeks ago. And this weekend, the problems got 200% worse. I had a > gig, played under influence of painkillers and other stuff that weakens your > muscles. > Still had the pain but i manage to get through. > Now this morning my doctor said that because of neglecting the thorasic > outlet syndrome, Carpal tunnel syndrome was develloped. > I’ll be heading to a surgeon on 22 July (long waiting list here in the > Netherlands) > We’ll be discussing what we are going to do, but it’ll probably be surgery. > For now i’ll be posting and lurking as a non-bass player (wiping tears away) > Bell

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>  The only draw back is more > frequent visits to the bathroom.

Odd how "guys" despise that. I look at as a chance to stretch the legs m’self. This adds to it’s healing properties I suspect I’ve served as a "Urinalysis Coordinator" and had to wait for MANY hours while one person trys to hydrate enough to "donate."  Screw that.  These people must feel like hell. —    O> /()    ^^

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Man, i feel so sorry for you, i wish everyday that something like that never ever EVER happens to me, i just don’t know what i’d do…i couldn’t veen use the computer with all the clicky cliky, typy typy…i was actualyl talking about this to a couple of my friends the other day, i said i could watch TV, no problem. If anyone had a TV that needed watching…i could do it, well, it was a little bit of comfort. — Kristoff Lajoie www.kristoff.4t.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just paid a visit to the doctor, I had some issues with my hand and wrist. > Hand feeling numb, totally stressed in the morning. It hurts like hell to > open and close it (left side, fretting hand) > I’ve been having a thorasic outlet syndrome for about a year, which is > explaining the numbness and tintling. > Not seeing the chiropractor for about half a year the problems came back > about two weeks ago. And this weekend, the problems got 200% worse. I had a > gig, played under influence of painkillers and other stuff that weakens your > muscles. > Still had the pain but i manage to get through. > Now this morning my doctor said that because of neglecting the thorasic > outlet syndrome, Carpal tunnel syndrome was develloped. > I’ll be heading to a surgeon on 22 July (long waiting list here in the > Netherlands) > We’ll be discussing what we are going to do, but it’ll probably be surgery. > For now i’ll be posting and lurking as a non-bass player (wiping tears away) > Bell

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> Now this morning my doctor said that because of neglecting the thorasic > outlet syndrome, Carpal tunnel syndrome was develloped.

First thing, get the wrist brace-unbelievable how such a passive approach can help.  Wear at night. Second, if after this, your problem persists, get the release surgery. Like Corey, I went thru this, and I’m now playing more bass(And guitar) than ever.  It’ll lay you up for around 6 weeks(Playing-wise) but after – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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> If it’s a heavy Warwick, there’s your problem.  Also, > alcohol and coffee dehydrate and aggravate my similar > problems 100%.  Lot’s of water (if you haven’t). > — >    O> > /() >    ^^

Sorry about your problem, Bell.  Hope you’re better soon.  I’ll attest to your prescription to lots of water, Rob.  When I was diagnosed with my kidney stone the doc told me to drink lots of water to flush it out.  So I did.  All of a sudden my knees quit hurting.  I thought I had bad knees ’cause of my years doing manual labor and then from all the sitting down I’ve done the last ten years being stuck in an office.  I’ve been keeping it up even though the kidney stone is gone now.  The only draw back is more frequent visits to the bathroom. —     Oc    () )   //^^  // / Bud

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Bell: Had the surgery over 2 years ago… best thing I ever did.  After years of physical therapy, chiropractors, lessons, etc., the release surgery did the trick.  No numbness in two years.  By the way, it was my LEFT hand, which I never use to mouse. The surgeries they perform now are nothing like the butchering they did years ago.  Also, be sure to request physical therapy afterwards, and be aggressive in following their directions.  My had has a slightly different shape now, but I still say it was BY FAR the best thing I could’ve done.  My hand was literally falling asleep between 50-60 times per day, and I was going insane!  Pins and needles, followed by numbness, followed by pins and needles, etc. etc. Good luck, and I hope you ARE able to find an alternative, but don’t be as afraid of the surgery as some would like you to be. By the way, I play a Thumb.  The CTS started YEARS before getting that bass, and didn’t get worse with it… I just finally had insurance and short term disability to get it taken care of! Corey

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> there’s the problem > I wish I had one stable position while sleeping, but I’m moving all the time > Problem is worst in the morning, my hand is like a fist then and I cannot > stretch the fongers > I have excercises to maximize the blood flow, before talking to the surgeon, > i’ll be at the chiropractor first for about 4 weeks > We’ll see what happens then. > The doctor says it’s CTS, but maybe the electro magnetic pulses with which > the surgeon is going to proof that I have CTS or not, will tell if there is > going to be surgery > Thnx for all your concerns, but believe me. I wish noone here will ever have > to deal with the thoughts i’m having about my future as bassplayer > thanx again > Dominic bericht > One idea is magnetic therapy. Wear some kind of cast that has a magnet to > attract nutrients/blood to the region (consult a doctor on this to do it > properly). Another is to switch hands when using the mouse. Sleep with > your > arm outstretched towards the left (not under you, bent, etc). Do > everything > you can to maximize blood flow to the area. I would try this for about 2-3 > weeks before considering surgery. > — > This nascent group of rag-tag > ex-food service slingers aims to > please you, the listener. > Check us out at: > http://echofission.com > > Man that’s tough. > > If I could make a suggestion – while you are waiting for you > consultation, > > please do some research on alternatives to CTS surgery. Personally, I > would > > only go under the knife as an absolute last resort. > > — > > John > > Check out www.js3jazz.com to hear my tunes and get FREE bass lessons > > > Just paid a visit to the doctor, I had some issues with my hand and > wrist. > > > Hand feeling numb, totally stressed in the morning. It hurts like hell > to > > > open and close it (left side, fretting hand) > > > I’ve been having a thorasic outlet syndrome for about a year, which is > > > explaining the numbness and tintling. > > > Not seeing the chiropractor for about half a year the problems came > back > > > about two weeks ago. And this weekend, the problems got 200% worse. I > had > > a > > > gig, played under influence of painkillers and other stuff that > weakens > > your > > > muscles. > > > Still had the pain but i manage to get through. > > > Now this morning my doctor said that because of neglecting the > thorasic > > > outlet syndrome, Carpal tunnel syndrome was develloped. > > > I’ll be heading to a surgeon on 22 July (long waiting list here in the > > > Netherlands) > > > We’ll be discussing what we are going to do, but it’ll probably be > > surgery. > > > For now i’ll be posting and lurking as a non-bass player (wiping tears > > away) > > > Bell

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My Dr. had me using a hand brace when I was having CTS symptoms. He said it probably was due to sleeping (along with the usual bass playing and computer use) and that I should where it at night to prevent my wrist from being at a severe angle. It’s helped. Wes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > That is why you need a cast you can take off easily in the morning (velcro) > that keeps your arm straight from the elbow down, and keeps your hand > outstretched. This way, no matter how you sleep, the arm will remain in > optimum position for blood flow. > I think alot of CTS cases can be treated if you stop using the same hand > with the mouse, and sleep properly (in terms of maximizing blood flow to the > wrist/hand) then hopefully surgery will not be needed. The removable cast > will make it possible that you get blood to the area. > For everyone here, learn to use the mouse with both hands. I am a righty, > and use the mouse lefty (I learned mouse/windows in a lab environent and > wanted to be able to have my free hand for writing while mousing > simultaneously). When my left hand starts acting up, I switch. > Mixing/mastering an album is extremely stressful on the hands for mousing > purposes (as well as the back with the long hours at the computer). > — > This nascent group of rag-tag > ex-food service slingers aims to > please you, the listener. > Check us out at: > http://echofission.com > there’s the problem > I wish I had one stable position while sleeping, but I’m moving all the > time > Problem is worst in the morning, my hand is like a fist then and I cannot > stretch the fongers > I have excercises to maximize the blood flow, before talking to the > surgeon, > i’ll be at the chiropractor first for about 4 weeks > We’ll see what happens then. > The doctor says it’s CTS, but maybe the electro magnetic pulses with which > the surgeon is going to proof that I have CTS or not, will tell if there > is > going to be surgery > Thnx for all your concerns, but believe me. I wish noone here will ever > have > to deal with the thoughts i’m having about my future as bassplayer > thanx again > Dominic > bericht > > One idea is magnetic therapy. Wear some kind of cast that has a magnet > to > > attract nutrients/blood to the region (consult a doctor on this to do it > > properly). Another is to switch hands when using the mouse. Sleep with > your > > arm outstretched towards the left (not under you, bent, etc). Do > everything > > you can to maximize blood flow to the area. I would try this for about > 2-3 > > weeks before considering surgery. > > — > > This nascent group of rag-tag > > ex-food service slingers aims to > > please you, the listener. > > Check us out at: > > http://echofission.com > > > Man that’s tough. > > > If I could make a suggestion – while you are waiting for you > consultation, > > > please do some research on alternatives to CTS surgery. Personally, I > > would > > > only go under the knife as an absolute last resort. > > > — > > > John > > > Check out www.js3jazz.com to hear my tunes and get FREE bass lessons > > > > Just paid a visit to the doctor, I had some issues with my hand and > > wrist. > > > > Hand feeling numb, totally stressed in the morning. It hurts like > hell > > to > > > > open and close it (left side, fretting hand) > > > > I’ve been having a thorasic outlet syndrome for about a year, which > is > > > > explaining the numbness and tintling. > > > > Not seeing the chiropractor for about half a year the problems came > back > > > > about two weeks ago. And this weekend, the problems got 200% worse. > I > > had > > > a > > > > gig, played under influence of painkillers and other stuff that > weakens > > > your > > > > muscles. > > > > Still had the pain but i manage to get through. > > > > Now this morning my doctor said that because of neglecting the > thorasic > > > > outlet syndrome, Carpal tunnel syndrome was develloped. > > > > I’ll be heading to a surgeon on 22 July (long waiting list here in > the > > > > Netherlands) > > > > We’ll be discussing what we are going to do, but it’ll probably be > > > surgery. > > > > For now i’ll be posting and lurking as a non-bass player (wiping > tears > > > away) > > > > Bell

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there’s lot’s o water in alcohol right? Bell – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Damn > > If it’s a heavy Warwick, there’s your problem.  Also, > alcohol and coffee dehydrate and aggravate my similar > problems 100%.  Lot’s of water (if you haven’t). > — >    O> > /() >    ^^

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there’s the problem I wish I had one stable position while sleeping, but I’m moving all the time Problem is worst in the morning, my hand is like a fist then and I cannot stretch the fongers I have excercises to maximize the blood flow, before talking to the surgeon, i’ll be at the chiropractor first for about 4 weeks We’ll see what happens then. The doctor says it’s CTS, but maybe the electro magnetic pulses with which the surgeon is going to proof that I have CTS or not, will tell if there is going to be surgery Thnx for all your concerns, but believe me. I wish noone here will ever have to deal with the thoughts i’m having about my future as bassplayer thanx again Dominic – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> One idea is magnetic therapy. Wear some kind of cast that has a magnet to > attract nutrients/blood to the region (consult a doctor on this to do it > properly). Another is to switch hands when using the mouse. Sleep with your > arm outstretched towards the left (not under you, bent, etc). Do everything > you can to maximize blood flow to the area. I would try this for about 2-3 > weeks before considering surgery. > — > This nascent group of rag-tag > ex-food service slingers aims to > please you, the listener. > Check us out at: > http://echofission.com > Man that’s tough. > If I could make a suggestion – while you are waiting for you consultation, > please do some research on alternatives to CTS surgery. Personally, I > would > only go under the knife as an absolute last resort. > — > John > Check out www.js3jazz.com to hear my tunes and get FREE bass lessons > > Just paid a visit to the doctor, I had some issues with my hand and > wrist. > > Hand feeling numb, totally stressed in the morning. It hurts like hell > to > > open and close it (left side, fretting hand) > > I’ve been having a thorasic outlet syndrome for about a year, which is > > explaining the numbness and tintling. > > Not seeing the chiropractor for about half a year the problems came back > > about two weeks ago. And this weekend, the problems got 200% worse. I > had > a > > gig, played under influence of painkillers and other stuff that weakens > your > > muscles. > > Still had the pain but i manage to get through. > > Now this morning my doctor said that because of neglecting the thorasic > > outlet syndrome, Carpal tunnel syndrome was develloped. > > I’ll be heading to a surgeon on 22 July (long waiting list here in the > > Netherlands) > > We’ll be discussing what we are going to do, but it’ll probably be > surgery. > > For now i’ll be posting and lurking as a non-bass player (wiping tears > away) > > Bell

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That is why you need a cast you can take off easily in the morning (velcro) that keeps your arm straight from the elbow down, and keeps your hand outstretched. This way, no matter how you sleep, the arm will remain in optimum position for blood flow. I think alot of CTS cases can be treated if you stop using the same hand with the mouse, and sleep properly (in terms of maximizing blood flow to the wrist/hand) then hopefully surgery will not be needed. The removable cast will make it possible that you get blood to the area. For everyone here, learn to use the mouse with both hands. I am a righty, and use the mouse lefty (I learned mouse/windows in a lab environent and wanted to be able to have my free hand for writing while mousing simultaneously). When my left hand starts acting up, I switch. Mixing/mastering an album is extremely stressful on the hands for mousing purposes (as well as the back with the long hours at the computer). — This nascent group of rag-tag ex-food service slingers aims to please you, the listener. Check us out at: http://echofission.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> there’s the problem > I wish I had one stable position while sleeping, but I’m moving all the time > Problem is worst in the morning, my hand is like a fist then and I cannot > stretch the fongers > I have excercises to maximize the blood flow, before talking to the surgeon, > i’ll be at the chiropractor first for about 4 weeks > We’ll see what happens then. > The doctor says it’s CTS, but maybe the electro magnetic pulses with which > the surgeon is going to proof that I have CTS or not, will tell if there is > going to be surgery > Thnx for all your concerns, but believe me. I wish noone here will ever have > to deal with the thoughts i’m having about my future as bassplayer > thanx again > Dominic bericht > One idea is magnetic therapy. Wear some kind of cast that has a magnet to > attract nutrients/blood to the region (consult a doctor on this to do it > properly). Another is to switch hands when using the mouse. Sleep with > your > arm outstretched towards the left (not under you, bent, etc). Do > everything > you can to maximize blood flow to the area. I would try this for about 2-3 > weeks before considering surgery. > — > This nascent group of rag-tag > ex-food service slingers aims to > please you, the listener. > Check us out at: > http://echofission.com > > Man that’s tough. > > If I could make a suggestion – while you are waiting for you > consultation, > > please do some research on alternatives to CTS surgery. Personally, I > would > > only go under the knife as an absolute last resort. > > — > > John > > Check out www.js3jazz.com to hear my tunes and get FREE bass lessons > > > Just paid a visit to the doctor, I had some issues with my hand and > wrist. > > > Hand feeling numb, totally stressed in the morning. It hurts like hell > to > > > open and close it (left side, fretting hand) > > > I’ve been having a thorasic outlet syndrome for about a year, which is > > > explaining the numbness and tintling. > > > Not seeing the chiropractor for about half a year the problems came > back > > > about two weeks ago. And this weekend, the problems got 200% worse. I > had > > a > > > gig, played under influence of painkillers and other stuff that > weakens > > your > > > muscles. > > > Still had the pain but i manage to get through. > > > Now this morning my doctor said that because of neglecting the > thorasic > > > outlet syndrome, Carpal tunnel syndrome was develloped. > > > I’ll be heading to a surgeon on 22 July (long waiting list here in the > > > Netherlands) > > > We’ll be discussing what we are going to do, but it’ll probably be > > surgery. > > > For now i’ll be posting and lurking as a non-bass player (wiping tears > > away) > > > Bell

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I am really sad to hear about this and I hope you find a solution before going through surgery. I have had problems playing my Warwick, it took me a while to get used to stretching (the neck seems a mile away compared to other basses), I got used to it by now (Playing more at an upright angle than previously), but still have problems if I play too long also with numbness etc. Not at all pleasant, I wish you a speedy recovery. Regards Anna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Also, Warwick’s have a notoriously thick neck from back to front, which > could hurt you more depending on your anatomy. > — > This nascent group of rag-tag > ex-food service slingers aims to > please you, the listener. > Check us out at: > http://echofission.com > Damn >> > If it’s a heavy Warwick, there’s your problem.  Also, > alcohol and coffee dehydrate and aggravate my similar > problems 100%.  Lot’s of water (if you haven’t). > — >    O> > /() >    ^^

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If it’s a heavy Warwick, there’s your problem.  Also, alcohol and coffee dehydrate and aggravate my similar problems 100%.  Lot’s of water (if you haven’t). —    O> /()    ^^

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Also, Warwick’s have a notoriously thick neck from back to front, which could hurt you more depending on your anatomy. — This nascent group of rag-tag ex-food service slingers aims to please you, the listener. Check us out at: http://echofission.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Damn > > If it’s a heavy Warwick, there’s your problem.  Also, > alcohol and coffee dehydrate and aggravate my similar > problems 100%.  Lot’s of water (if you haven’t). > — >    O> > /() >    ^^

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One idea is magnetic therapy. Wear some kind of cast that has a magnet to attract nutrients/blood to the region (consult a doctor on this to do it properly). Another is to switch hands when using the mouse. Sleep with your arm outstretched towards the left (not under you, bent, etc). Do everything you can to maximize blood flow to the area. I would try this for about 2-3 weeks before considering surgery. — This nascent group of rag-tag ex-food service slingers aims to please you, the listener. Check us out at: http://echofission.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Man that’s tough. > If I could make a suggestion – while you are waiting for you consultation, > please do some research on alternatives to CTS surgery. Personally, I would > only go under the knife as an absolute last resort. > — > John > Check out www.js3jazz.com to hear my tunes and get FREE bass lessons > Just paid a visit to the doctor, I had some issues with my hand and wrist. > Hand feeling numb, totally stressed in the morning. It hurts like hell to > open and close it (left side, fretting hand) > I’ve been having a thorasic outlet syndrome for about a year, which is > explaining the numbness and tintling. > Not seeing the chiropractor for about half a year the problems came back > about two weeks ago. And this weekend, the problems got 200% worse. I had > a > gig, played under influence of painkillers and other stuff that weakens > your > muscles. > Still had the pain but i manage to get through. > Now this morning my doctor said that because of neglecting the thorasic > outlet syndrome, Carpal tunnel syndrome was develloped. > I’ll be heading to a surgeon on 22 July (long waiting list here in the > Netherlands) > We’ll be discussing what we are going to do, but it’ll probably be > surgery. > For now i’ll be posting and lurking as a non-bass player (wiping tears > away) > Bell

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I guess you’re right I found another sort of musical health center, where they examine your positions or whatever, and see what they can do about it without surgery, but i fear for the worse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Man that’s tough. > If I could make a suggestion – while you are waiting for you consultation, > please do some research on alternatives to CTS surgery. Personally, I would > only go under the knife as an absolute last resort. > — > John > Check out www.js3jazz.com to hear my tunes and get FREE bass lessons > Just paid a visit to the doctor, I had some issues with my hand and wrist. > Hand feeling numb, totally stressed in the morning. It hurts like hell to > open and close it (left side, fretting hand) > I’ve been having a thorasic outlet syndrome for about a year, which is > explaining the numbness and tintling. > Not seeing the chiropractor for about half a year the problems came back > about two weeks ago. And this weekend, the problems got 200% worse. I had > a > gig, played under influence of painkillers and other stuff that weakens > your > muscles. > Still had the pain but i manage to get through. > Now this morning my doctor said that because of neglecting the thorasic > outlet syndrome, Carpal tunnel syndrome was develloped. > I’ll be heading to a surgeon on 22 July (long waiting list here in the > Netherlands) > We’ll be discussing what we are going to do, but it’ll probably be > surgery. > For now i’ll be posting and lurking as a non-bass player (wiping tears > away) > Bell

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Man that’s tough. If I could make a suggestion – while you are waiting for you consultation, please do some research on alternatives to CTS surgery. Personally, I would only go under the knife as an absolute last resort. — John Check out www.js3jazz.com to hear my tunes and get FREE bass lessons

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just paid a visit to the doctor, I had some issues with my hand and wrist. > Hand feeling numb, totally stressed in the morning. It hurts like hell to > open and close it (left side, fretting hand) > I’ve been having a thorasic outlet syndrome for about a year, which is > explaining the numbness and tintling. > Not seeing the chiropractor for about half a year the problems came back > about two weeks ago. And this weekend, the problems got 200% worse. I had a > gig, played under influence of painkillers and other stuff that weakens your > muscles. > Still had the pain but i manage to get through. > Now this morning my doctor said that because of neglecting the thorasic > outlet syndrome, Carpal tunnel syndrome was develloped. > I’ll be heading to a surgeon on 22 July (long waiting list here in the > Netherlands) > We’ll be discussing what we are going to do, but it’ll probably be surgery. > For now i’ll be posting and lurking as a non-bass player (wiping tears away) > Bell

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Bell, I have been playing some type of guitar for close to 25 years and recently I have had to limit the number of hours of practising to keep tendonitis away. I would surely hate not to be able to play at all. Good luck with the cts surgery and here’s to a successful recovery! —              Ron "I have to go practise now" There is only one of me, so, if you want to respond to me drop the "s".

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just paid a visit to the doctor, I had some issues with my hand and wrist. > Hand feeling numb, totally stressed in the morning. It hurts like hell to > open and close it (left side, fretting hand) > I’ve been having a thorasic outlet syndrome for about a year, which is > explaining the numbness and tintling. > Not seeing the chiropractor for about half a year the problems came back > about two weeks ago. And this weekend, the problems got 200% worse. I had a > gig, played under influence of painkillers and other stuff that weakens your > muscles. > Still had the pain but i manage to get through. > Now this morning my doctor said that because of neglecting the thorasic > outlet syndrome, Carpal tunnel syndrome was develloped. > I’ll be heading to a surgeon on 22 July (long waiting list here in the > Netherlands) > We’ll be discussing what we are going to do, but it’ll probably be surgery. > For now i’ll be posting and lurking as a non-bass player (wiping tears away) > Bell

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good luck, I’ve almost been there, and nothing is scarier.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just paid a visit to the doctor, I had some issues with my hand and wrist. > Hand feeling numb, totally stressed in the morning. It hurts like hell to > open and close it (left side, fretting hand) > I’ve been having a thorasic outlet syndrome for about a year, which is > explaining the numbness and tintling. > Not seeing the chiropractor for about half a year the problems came back > about two weeks ago. And this weekend, the problems got 200% worse. I had a > gig, played under influence of painkillers and other stuff that weakens your > muscles. > Still had the pain but i manage to get through. > Now this morning my doctor said that because of neglecting the thorasic > outlet syndrome, Carpal tunnel syndrome was develloped. > I’ll be heading to a surgeon on 22 July (long waiting list here in the > Netherlands) > We’ll be discussing what we are going to do, but it’ll probably be surgery. > For now i’ll be posting and lurking as a non-bass player (wiping tears away) > Bell

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> Just paid a visit to the doctor, <snip> > We’ll be discussing what we are going to do, but it’ll probably be surgery. > For now i’ll be posting and lurking as a non-bass player (wiping tears

away) That’s terrible – sorry to hear that At least something *can* be done. I hope you get the right treatment and aftercare so that you can pick up where you left off without too much of a problem. I’m waiting on an article about CTS that I will publish to our site as soon as I have it. I’m not sure how much it covers – I know it’s a medical paper of sorts – but maybe we can aim at prevention instead of cure for others. Best wishes, Bell. — PLL’C

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Bell – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ))(*)*(*&(*&%$#%$#% that totally sucks. Sorry to hear that Bell. I will be > thinking of you. Hopefully the operation will go well, and after a few > months you will be back to playing again. > — > This nascent group of rag-tag > ex-food service slingers aims to > please you, the listener. > Check us out at: > http://echofission.com > Just paid a visit to the doctor, I had some issues with my hand and wrist. > Hand feeling numb, totally stressed in the morning. It hurts like hell to > open and close it (left side, fretting hand) > I’ve been having a thorasic outlet syndrome for about a year, which is > explaining the numbness and tintling. > Not seeing the chiropractor for about half a year the problems came back > about two weeks ago. And this weekend, the problems got 200% worse. I had > a > gig, played under influence of painkillers and other stuff that weakens > your > muscles. > Still had the pain but i manage to get through. > Now this morning my doctor said that because of neglecting the thorasic > outlet syndrome, Carpal tunnel syndrome was develloped. > I’ll be heading to a surgeon on 22 July (long waiting list here in the > Netherlands) > We’ll be discussing what we are going to do, but it’ll probably be > surgery. > For now i’ll be posting and lurking as a non-bass player (wiping tears > away) > Bell

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Just paid a visit to the doctor, I had some issues with my hand and wrist. Hand feeling numb, totally stressed in the morning. It hurts like hell to open and close it (left side, fretting hand) I’ve been having a thorasic outlet syndrome for about a year, which is explaining the numbness and tintling. Not seeing the chiropractor for about half a year the problems came back about two weeks ago. And this weekend, the problems got 200% worse. I had a gig, played under influence of painkillers and other stuff that weakens your muscles. Still had the pain but i manage to get through. Now this morning my doctor said that because of neglecting the thorasic outlet syndrome, Carpal tunnel syndrome was develloped. I’ll be heading to a surgeon on 22 July (long waiting list here in the Netherlands) We’ll be discussing what we are going to do, but it’ll probably be surgery. For now i’ll be posting and lurking as a non-bass player (wiping tears away) Bell

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))(*)*(*&(*&%$#%$#% that totally sucks. Sorry to hear that Bell. I will be thinking of you. Hopefully the operation will go well, and after a few months you will be back to playing again. — This nascent group of rag-tag ex-food service slingers aims to please you, the listener. Check us out at: http://echofission.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just paid a visit to the doctor, I had some issues with my hand and wrist. > Hand feeling numb, totally stressed in the morning. It hurts like hell to > open and close it (left side, fretting hand) > I’ve been having a thorasic outlet syndrome for about a year, which is > explaining the numbness and tintling. > Not seeing the chiropractor for about half a year the problems came back > about two weeks ago. And this weekend, the problems got 200% worse. I had a > gig, played under influence of painkillers and other stuff that weakens your > muscles. > Still had the pain but i manage to get through. > Now this morning my doctor said that because of neglecting the thorasic > outlet syndrome, Carpal tunnel syndrome was develloped. > I’ll be heading to a surgeon on 22 July (long waiting list here in the > Netherlands) > We’ll be discussing what we are going to do, but it’ll probably be surgery. > For now i’ll be posting and lurking as a non-bass player (wiping tears away) > Bell

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Don’t risk surgery; chiropractic can alleviate the symptoms for a fraction of the price. — John Check out www.js3jazz.com to hear my tunes and get FREE bass lessons – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi – > Can anyone recommend a good doctor for musicians on LI?  I”ve been developing > cysts (I think) on both my wrists/hands, and playing is beginning to get > painful.  I’ve had them on my right wrist in the past with no ill effects, but > the left wrist (fretting hand) is fairly painful in certain positions.  At > least I have been forced to play in new positions on the fly – getting quite > creative in an attempt to avoid pain  : ) > Thanks > Maureen

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Hi – Can anyone recommend a good doctor for musicians on LI?  I”ve been developing cysts (I think) on both my wrists/hands, and playing is beginning to get painful.  I’ve had them on my right wrist in the past with no ill effects, but the left wrist (fretting hand) is fairly painful in certain positions.  At least I have been forced to play in new positions on the fly – getting quite creative in an attempt to avoid pain  : ) Thanks Maureen

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> Hi – > Can anyone recommend a good doctor for musicians on LI?  I”ve been developing > cysts (I think) on both my wrists/hands, and playing is beginning to get > painful.  I’ve had them on my right wrist in the past with no ill effects, but > the left wrist (fretting hand) is fairly painful in certain positions.  At > least I have been forced to play in new positions on the fly – getting quite > creative in an attempt to avoid pain  : )

Ouch.  Wish you the best with those. I knew a guy who would smash his (burst them) every so often, till he finally had surgery done.  He was a cement head.  He eventually found a hand specialist and had good results.  A girl I worked with had them removed, and one came back.  Had it removed again.  Hope you are able to find some good references.  They help a lot. —    O> /()    ^^

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>A girl I worked with had them removed, and one >came back.  Had it removed again.  Hope you are able to find >some good references.  They help a lot.

one of them has come on gone on its own several times, but the other is quite a new experience.  I’m hoping that I can just adjust my playing somehow – I’m not a fan of surgery, especially for my hands! Maureen

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Good luck!! I’ve had one in my right hand between the index and middle finger sucked out twice and surgically removed once, and it STILL came back!!         Scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->A girl I worked with had them removed, and one >came back.  Had it removed again.  Hope you are able to find >some good references.  They help a lot. > one of them has come on gone on its own several times, but the other is quite a > new experience.  I’m hoping that I can just adjust my playing somehow – I’m not > a fan of surgery, especially for my hands! > Maureen

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> I don’t like traveling when you feel not great.Wish me luck and say a >few good prayers.

You’ve got em, but you are going to have a wonderful time.  And we will want details, when you get back. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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Thank you to all of you who have responded to my questions, I saw the chiropractor today and she said my back is in alignment, the muscles are very tight, thinks maybe I also have Fm along with the RA, anyway I am taking a big step for me I am leaving the fear and anxiety of going on this long trip and taking my meds and grin and bear it, this is hard for me to do since I don’t like traveling when you feel not great.Wish me luck and say a few good prayers. Thank you again Becky

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You’ve got them Becky. Relax and have a good time. Take your pain medicines before you let things get out of hand. Take a camera and give us a description on your trip on your return. Duckie > Thank you to all of you who have responded to my questions, I saw the > chiropractor today and she said my back is in alignment, the muscles are > very tight, thinks maybe I also have Fm along with the RA, anyway I am > taking a big step for me I am leaving the fear and anxiety of going on this > long trip and taking my meds and grin and bear it, this is hard for me to do > since I don’t like traveling when you feel not great.Wish me luck and say a > few good prayers. > Thank you again > Becky

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Sure will Becky.   Here is hoping that all goes well and you have a good time. Harv

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank you to all of you who have responded to my questions, I saw the > chiropractor today and she said my back is in alignment, the muscles are > very tight, thinks maybe I also have Fm along with the RA, anyway I am > taking a big step for me I am leaving the fear and anxiety of going on this > long trip and taking my meds and grin and bear it, this is hard for me to do > since I don’t like traveling when you feel not great.Wish me luck and say a > few good prayers. > Thank you again > Becky

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 this is hard for me to do > since I don’t like traveling when you feel not great.Wish me luck and say a > few good prayers. > Thank you again > Becky

Luck and prayers to you.  I hoe you have a good trip. — Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me I like nonsense; it wakes up the brain cells. – Dr Suess

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dead at 65,000.   Washer tank failures.  Brake rotors ($200 per) only survive one set of pads.  Spend the extra for a warranty.  I’ve paid $7000 in less than 1 year. My lesson.  If you can’t afford a new one… you probably can’t afford a used one. Check audiworld.com forum for others with issues.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi! I’m interested in buying a 2000 S4 from a friend and was wondering if > there are any problems or things I should look at before I purchase it. > Thanks! > — > A E Page > 93 VR6 Passat > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Factory/1249/ > Want referrals for free? Listen to the radio for cash or win your quarters > back on games like PacMan and Tetris? > http://www.geocities.com/aepage49/

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No its stock – hes my chiropractor and doesn’t drive it hard at all… — A E Page 93 VR6 Passat http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Factory/1249/ Want referrals for free? Listen to the radio for cash or win your quarters back on games like PacMan and Tetris? http://www.geocities.com/aepage49/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Has it been modified? > Hi! I’m interested in buying a 2000 S4 from a friend and was wondering if > there are any problems or things I should look at before I purchase it.

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I just bought a 2000 S4.  Here are some things that I’ve found… 1.  The stock throttle body boot (TBB) is prone to failure.  There are a lot of aftermarket solutions for this such as boot braces and solid replacements for the rubber boot. 2.  The stock diverter valves are prone to failure.  They can easily be replaced with Bosch 114/710N vales.  They are about $50 a piece ($100 total – one per turbo), and you can do that yourself pretty easily. 3.  You didn’t mention whether it was a manual or Tip tranny.  I think the manual had some gear burring that made shifting into 2nd hard. I’m not too clear on this as I have a Tip…anyone out there have more/better info? There is a lot of information at http://www.s4biturbo.com/ That being said, I absolutely LOVE the vehicle.  I bought it as an Audi Assured vehicle from a dealer, so I have 2 years on a limited warranty after the factory warranty expires.  My concerns may be a bit less than yours. HTH! Elroy 2000 S4 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hi! I’m interested in buying a 2000 S4 from a friend and was wondering if >there are any problems or things I should look at before I purchase it. >Thanks!

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I’ve had a 2000 S4 Tip since new.  Minimal problems, very reliable.  Keep an eye on wheel alignment or it will eat tires like crazy. > No its stock – he’s my chiropractor and doesn’t drive it hard at all… > Has it been modified? > > Hi! I’m interested in buying a 2000 S4 from a friend and was wondering if > > there are any problems or things I should look at before I purchase

it.

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Hi! I’m interested in buying a 2000 S4 from a friend and was wondering if there are any problems or things I should look at before I purchase it. Thanks! — A E Page 93 VR6 Passat http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Factory/1249/ Want referrals for free? Listen to the radio for cash or win your quarters back on games like PacMan and Tetris? http://www.geocities.com/aepage49/

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Has it been modified? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi! I’m interested in buying a 2000 S4 from a friend and was wondering if > there are any problems or things I should look at before I purchase it.

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> Thanks for the free consultation > in my frustration.

— -rob    O< "Earth Angel, Earth Angel…" /()    ^^

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He’s lurking around. Too busy to post frequently I suppose. I fear he may have found what we’ve all been searching for…..a life….. Maybe he’s taking time off to restring and tune all those guitars and basses he owns. Jay S

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks for the free consultation alone > in my frustration. > — > -rob >    O< "Earth Angel, Earth Angel…" > /() >    ^^

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> I was gonna ask the same thing. Is he still tied up with the new studio?

He e-mailed me, saying he’d been skiing, starting a new band, and moonlighting as a Chippendale dancer.  O.K., I made that last one up. He’s lurking, busy, hitting the major threads, and saving his woo-hoo’s for one big release. — -rob    O< "Earth Angel, Earth Angel…" /()    ^^

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>> Thanks for the free consultation > alone > in my frustration.

I was gonna ask the same thing. Is he still tied up with the new studio?

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Chiropractic doesn’t really hurt; it’s more like a release of tension. I was having some CTS symptoms a few months ago and went to my Chiro. He held my shoulder and quickly jerked my arm downward. I saw stars for a second, and then felt "pins and needles" in my hand. After a few minutes that sensation went away, and my wrist was good as new. It was a little uncomfortable, but it wasn’t torture; certainly it’s better than getting an injection. — John Check out www.js3jazz.com to hear my tunes and get FREE bass lessons

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Once again I get great advice from my AGB family ) > I use ice all the time. It’s the only thing that does work. > I’d like to switch doctors , but the government is screwing with health care > , so the doctors are screwing with patients. I can’t find a place that will > take new patients. I’ll keep looking though. > I may ask him to refer me to a specialist. (if there is one) He’s just a > GP/family doctor > I’d be all over some kind of Non-drug way of healing. > Maybe there is a chiropractor around here that can help. > Although I can’t stand someone even coming near my arm right now. I couldn’t > imagine someone pulling on it. > I think I’ll make some calls and see. > Thanks for the free consultation alone > in my frustration. > I think the pain in my arm is replacing my G.A.S. > That’s not a good thing. > Jay S

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There’s gotta be something else! > I’m considering going to one of those "health food stores" and asking > their > advice. > I think it’s time to try some Glucosamine/chondroitin like others here had > suggested to me before. > It’s also a good excuse to get a new, lighter bass rig!!! > this has been another useless post by: > Jay S > Jay:  Is this doctor an Ortho, or just a Family Practicioner?  Go see an > Upper Body Extremities Specialist if you can… mine was WONDERFUL, and put > me in touch with some tremendous physical therapists… it’s tough work > changing how your body works, but it’s worth it!

I agree.  My general practitioner was nearly useless.  I self referred to an orthopedist who was enlightened enough to prescribe physical therapy.   It worked for me! > Good luck, man… hope everything works out.

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I hate nurses. — -rob    O< "except for me mum of course." /()    ^^

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Once again I get great advice from my AGB family ) I use ice all the time. It’s the only thing that does work. I’d like to switch doctors , but the government is screwing with health care , so the doctors are screwing with patients. I can’t find a place that will take new patients. I’ll keep looking though. I may ask him to refer me to a specialist. (if there is one) He’s just a GP/family doctor I’d be all over some kind of Non-drug way of healing. Maybe there is a chiropractor around here that can help. Although I can’t stand someone even coming near my arm right now. I couldn’t imagine someone pulling on it. I think I’ll make some calls and see. Thanks for the free consultation in my frustration. I think the pain in my arm is replacing my G.A.S. That’s not a good thing. Jay S

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I know I’ve said this before, but try chiropractic. It’s great for treating tendinitis and carpel tunnel problems. They key is to get regular adjustments. — John Check out www.js3jazz.com to hear my tunes and get FREE bass lessons

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I reluctantly decided to go see my doctor (my wife can really nag) to get > him to reassess my Tendonitis. > It came back with a vengeance. It’s hard to even get some sleep ’cause of > the pain. Last night I actually dreamed that my arm was sore. > It feels like a Marine Gunny Sargent punched me in the elbow…twice… > So I go see my Dr. and of course (after waiting 1/2 hour) he sticks his > thumb right were I’m really sore 3-4 times. I keep telling him that’s > EXACTLY were it hurts!! I think he likes seeing me wince. > He asked me if I’ve been taking any Ibuprofen. I tell him 600mg a day. He > tells me I should take 900mg. > I reminded him that we did that last time and it upset my stomach. He > mentioned taking Vioxx. I reminded him that we did that and it just made me > drowsy. > Doesn’t he have a chart that has my medical history on it?? > So he jumped right to writing me another steroid injection prescription. I > asked about alternative options. I have a lot of gigs coming up , and the > last injection put me out of commission for about a week. > He gave me a sample of "Mobicox" (sounds like the body part of a white > whale) > to try and if it doesn’t help, come back for the injection. > I asked about any stretches or exercise/diet and he looked around , grabbed > a pamphlet and told me to read it. > The End…see ya later….make an appointment for an injection. > There’s gotta be something else! > I’m considering going to one of those "health food stores" and asking their > advice. > I think it’s time to try some Glucosamine/chondroitin like others here had > suggested to me before. > It’s also a good excuse to get a new, lighter bass rig!!! > this has been another useless post by: > Jay S

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Jay, That’s an awful lot of Ibuprofen. It’s like Frank Zappa once said about speed, "Rot your heart, rot your lungs, rot your kidneys, cucuracha!" Last time I had tendonitis, I saw the clown who was posing as my doctor at that time. He gave me an anti-inflammatory. It sort of worked. I went back and told him and he upped the dosage. I had gastric problems that need not be described in detail. I saw my chiropractor and he cured it, never to return, in two visits. Moving along in time to a few years ago, I developed issues with my RC and AC (Rotator cuff, and some other cuff that starts with A) in my shoulder from having moved about 80 tons of various materials manually building a new garden for my wife. I thought I was being sensible by not trying to do it all at once, just in the decent weather over two years. <<A little wake up call to guys in their mid-50s doing that kind of macho crap–DON’T! Hire a couple of stout young lads, make sure it’s in warm weather so they have to take their shirts off. Let the wife watch to make sure they’re doing it right. Reap vast amounts of affection and have the energy to reciprocate.>> Saw my new, intelligent, open-minded, young doctor who gave me some Vioxx to try and mentioned the steroid injections. Vioxx worked fine to alleviate the symptoms, but didn’t treat the problem. Doctor and I both thought that while the injections might work, the long term was not desirable. He mention physical therapy. I trotted off to see a friend who does very aggressive body work. One session of character building work and it was gone, never to return. Moral of this long-winded dissertation is: Change doctors, seek alternative therapy, say no to drugs unless they’re recreational, and as others have mentioned, drink plenty of water. Speedy recovery, Neal – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I reluctantly decided to go see my doctor (my wife can really nag) to get > him to reassess my Tendonitis. > It came back with a vengeance. It’s hard to even get some sleep ’cause of > the pain. Last night I actually dreamed that my arm was sore. > It feels like a Marine Gunny Sargent punched me in the elbow…twice… > So I go see my Dr. and of course (after waiting 1/2 hour) he sticks his > thumb right were I’m really sore 3-4 times. I keep telling him that’s > EXACTLY were it hurts!! I think he likes seeing me wince. > He asked me if I’ve been taking any Ibuprofen. I tell him 600mg a day. He > tells me I should take 900mg. > I reminded him that we did that last time and it upset my stomach. He > mentioned taking Vioxx. I reminded him that we did that and it just made me > drowsy. > Doesn’t he have a chart that has my medical history on it?? > So he jumped right to writing me another steroid injection prescription. I > asked about alternative options. I have a lot of gigs coming up , and the > last injection put me out of commission for about a week. > He gave me a sample of "Mobicox" (sounds like the body part of a white > whale) > to try and if it doesn’t help, come back for the injection. > I asked about any stretches or exercise/diet and he looked around , grabbed > a pamphlet and told me to read it. > The End…see ya later….make an appointment for an injection. > There’s gotta be something else! > I’m considering going to one of those "health food stores" and asking their > advice. > I think it’s time to try some Glucosamine/chondroitin like others here had > suggested to me before. > It’s also a good excuse to get a new, lighter bass rig!!! > this has been another useless post by: > Jay S

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Jay, I’m troubled by a similar problem in right forearm and found surprising help from a local chiropractor who’s certified in something called "advanced release therapy" or "ART".  Its basically a form of _deep_ muscle massage (it feels like he’s trying to rip the muscles right off my bones when he’s doing it- no fun, but it doesn’t take very long).  With me, he started in my neck and shoulder and worked down.  After three visits I was nearly pain free and it hasn’t come back anywhere near as bad as it was.  Just to be careful, I did switch a couple of months ago to lighter strings and lower action to force me to play lighter, but I’m not routinely taking any NSAIDs. So far, it seesm to be doing the job.  My daughter is a dancer and he’s helped her as well with injury recovery and some range of motion issues. Might be worth looking into… Phil

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I reluctantly decided to go see my doctor (my wife can really nag) to get > him to reassess my Tendonitis. > It came back with a vengeance. It’s hard to even get some sleep ’cause of > the pain. Last night I actually dreamed that my arm was sore. > It feels like a Marine Gunny Sargent punched me in the elbow…twice… > So I go see my Dr. and of course (after waiting 1/2 hour) he sticks his > thumb right were I’m really sore 3-4 times. I keep telling him that’s > EXACTLY were it hurts!! I think he likes seeing me wince. > He asked me if I’ve been taking any Ibuprofen. I tell him 600mg a day. He > tells me I should take 900mg. > I reminded him that we did that last time and it upset my stomach. He > mentioned taking Vioxx. I reminded him that we did that and it just made me > drowsy. > Doesn’t he have a chart that has my medical history on it?? > So he jumped right to writing me another steroid injection prescription. I > asked about alternative options. I have a lot of gigs coming up , and the > last injection put me out of commission for about a week. > He gave me a sample of "Mobicox" (sounds like the body part of a white > whale) > to try and if it doesn’t help, come back for the injection. > I asked about any stretches or exercise/diet and he looked around , grabbed > a pamphlet and told me to read it. > The End…see ya later….make an appointment for an injection. > There’s gotta be something else! > I’m considering going to one of those "health food stores" and asking their > advice. > I think it’s time to try some Glucosamine/chondroitin like others here had > suggested to me before. > It’s also a good excuse to get a new, lighter bass rig!!! > this has been another useless post by: > Jay S

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> There’s gotta be something else! > I’m considering going to one of those "health food stores" and asking their > advice. > I think it’s time to try some Glucosamine/chondroitin like others here had > suggested to me before. > It’s also a good excuse to get a new, lighter bass rig!!! > this has been another useless post by: > Jay S

Jay:  Is this doctor an Ortho, or just a Family Practicioner?  Go see an Upper Body Extremities Specialist if you can… mine was WONDERFUL, and put me in touch with some tremendous physical therapists… it’s tough work changing how your body works, but it’s worth it! Good luck, man… hope everything works out. Corey

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Doctors are mostly butchers. Too much experience I guess. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I reluctantly decided to go see my doctor (my wife can really nag) to get > him to reassess my Tendonitis. > It came back with a vengeance. It’s hard to even get some sleep ’cause of > the pain. Last night I actually dreamed that my arm was sore. > It feels like a Marine Gunny Sargent punched me in the elbow…twice… > So I go see my Dr. and of course (after waiting 1/2 hour) he sticks his > thumb right were I’m really sore 3-4 times. I keep telling him that’s > EXACTLY were it hurts!! I think he likes seeing me wince. > He asked me if I’ve been taking any Ibuprofen. I tell him 600mg a day. He > tells me I should take 900mg. > I reminded him that we did that last time and it upset my stomach. He > mentioned taking Vioxx. I reminded him that we did that and it just made me > drowsy. > Doesn’t he have a chart that has my medical history on it?? > So he jumped right to writing me another steroid injection prescription. I > asked about alternative options. I have a lot of gigs coming up , and the > last injection put me out of commission for about a week. > He gave me a sample of "Mobicox" (sounds like the body part of a white > whale) > to try and if it doesn’t help, come back for the injection. > I asked about any stretches or exercise/diet and he looked around , grabbed > a pamphlet and told me to read it. > The End…see ya later….make an appointment for an injection. > There’s gotta be something else! > I’m considering going to one of those "health food stores" and asking their > advice. > I think it’s time to try some Glucosamine/chondroitin like others here had > suggested to me before. > It’s also a good excuse to get a new, lighter bass rig!!! > this has been another useless post by: > Jay S

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> Have you tried ice it down in the evenings?

Good advice Bud.I’ve just read q/a session on a Richard Thompson mailing list (blatant plug http://www.richardthompson-music.com/ ) and he suffers from a similar complaint.He actually ices his elbow before and after a gig,does specific exercises and weights designed to help (despite Jay’s Dr’s ignorance there are some) and has even adjusted the height of his guitar strap in an effort to eliminate the problem.Of course,this means a harder playing angle for your fretting hand if the bass is lower but that must be preferable to being in pain. I’m guessing Jay plays his bass high up? SR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I reluctantly decided to go see my doctor (my wife can really nag) to get > him to reassess my Tendonitis. > It came back with a vengeance. It’s hard to even get some sleep ’cause of > the pain. Last night I actually dreamed that my arm was sore. > It feels like a Marine Gunny Sargent punched me in the elbow…twice… > So I go see my Dr. and of course (after waiting 1/2 hour) he sticks his > thumb right were I’m really sore 3-4 times. I keep telling him that’s > EXACTLY were it hurts!! I think he likes seeing me wince. > He asked me if I’ve been taking any Ibuprofen. I tell him 600mg a day. He > tells me I should take 900mg. > I reminded him that we did that last time and it upset my stomach. He > mentioned taking Vioxx. I reminded him that we did that and it just made > me > drowsy. > Doesn’t he have a chart that has my medical history on it?? > So he jumped right to writing me another steroid injection prescription. I > asked about alternative options. I have a lot of gigs coming up , and the > last injection put me out of commission for about a week. > He gave me a sample of "Mobicox" (sounds like the body part of a white > whale) > to try and if it doesn’t help, come back for the injection. > I asked about any stretches or exercise/diet and he looked around , > grabbed > a pamphlet and told me to read it. > The End…see ya later….make an appointment for an injection. > There’s gotta be something else! > I’m considering going to one of those "health food stores" and asking > their > advice. > I think it’s time to try some Glucosamine/chondroitin like others here had > suggested to me before. > It’s also a good excuse to get a new, lighter bass rig!!! > this has been another useless post by: > Jay S

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Have you tried ice it down in the evenings? —     Oc    () )   //^^  // / Bud LeCompte http://budlecompte.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I reluctantly decided to go see my doctor (my wife can really nag) to get > him to reassess my Tendonitis. > It came back with a vengeance. It’s hard to even get some sleep ’cause of > the pain. Last night I actually dreamed that my arm was sore. > It feels like a Marine Gunny Sargent punched me in the elbow…twice… > So I go see my Dr. and of course (after waiting 1/2 hour) he sticks his > thumb right were I’m really sore 3-4 times. I keep telling him that’s > EXACTLY were it hurts!! I think he likes seeing me wince. > He asked me if I’ve been taking any Ibuprofen. I tell him 600mg a day. He > tells me I should take 900mg. > I reminded him that we did that last time and it upset my stomach. He > mentioned taking Vioxx. I reminded him that we did that and it just made me > drowsy. > Doesn’t he have a chart that has my medical history on it?? > So he jumped right to writing me another steroid injection prescription. I > asked about alternative options. I have a lot of gigs coming up , and the > last injection put me out of commission for about a week. > He gave me a sample of "Mobicox" (sounds like the body part of a white > whale) > to try and if it doesn’t help, come back for the injection. > I asked about any stretches or exercise/diet and he looked around , grabbed > a pamphlet and told me to read it. > The End…see ya later….make an appointment for an injection. > There’s gotta be something else! > I’m considering going to one of those "health food stores" and asking their > advice. > I think it’s time to try some Glucosamine/chondroitin like others here had > suggested to me before. > It’s also a good excuse to get a new, lighter bass rig!!! > this has been another useless post by: > Jay S

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I reluctantly decided to go see my doctor (my wife can really nag) to get him to reassess my Tendonitis. It came back with a vengeance. It’s hard to even get some sleep ’cause of the pain. Last night I actually dreamed that my arm was sore. It feels like a Marine Gunny Sargent punched me in the elbow…twice… So I go see my Dr. and of course (after waiting 1/2 hour) he sticks his thumb right were I’m really sore 3-4 times. I keep telling him that’s EXACTLY were it hurts!! I think he likes seeing me wince. He asked me if I’ve been taking any Ibuprofen. I tell him 600mg a day. He tells me I should take 900mg. I reminded him that we did that last time and it upset my stomach. He mentioned taking Vioxx. I reminded him that we did that and it just made me drowsy. Doesn’t he have a chart that has my medical history on it?? So he jumped right to writing me another steroid injection prescription. I asked about alternative options. I have a lot of gigs coming up , and the last injection put me out of commission for about a week. He gave me a sample of "Mobicox" (sounds like the body part of a white whale) to try and if it doesn’t help, come back for the injection. I asked about any stretches or exercise/diet and he looked around , grabbed a pamphlet and told me to read it. The End…see ya later….make an appointment for an injection. There’s gotta be something else! I’m considering going to one of those "health food stores" and asking their advice. I think it’s time to try some Glucosamine/chondroitin like others here had suggested to me before. It’s also a good excuse to get a new, lighter bass rig!!! this has been another useless post by: Jay S

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> There’s gotta be something else!

Doesn’t sound like he’s explored physical therapy, or anything that will actually help toward correcting your problem. Press him further, or find another doctor. —   /"  ASCII Ribbon Campaign                | Todd H   /                                       | http://www.toddh.net/    X   Promoting good netiquette            | http://triplethreatband.com/   /  http://www.toddh.net/netiquette/     | "4 lines suffice."

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Patsy Your doing good keep at it. The message Paula sent about exercise, yoga,stetching,ect. can help that fibromyagia. Don’t sit at the computer too long. Sitting aggravates fibro pain. Get up and move around every 10 or 15 min. Wish your family was more supportive, but you can make it without them. Not even one puff, OK. Paul D One month, two days, 12 hours, 55 minutes and 30 seconds. 1676 cigarettes not smoked, saving $184.46. Life saved: 5 days, 19 hours, 40 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> well its day 4 for me and i think this has been the worst yet.i have been so > cut<

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Day 4 was the worst for me, Patsy.  You are doing great!!!  It just doesn’t FEEL great right now, and you are going to NOT FEEL GREAT for a while.  But slowly things will get better, and then you will have an occasional day where you FEEL GREAT and then more days than not… you get the idea.  Quitting is a process.  Don’t beat yourself up for slipping (at least that’s MY mantra) but be aware it is a powerful addiction and you have made the committment to making healthy choices. With hope and heart, Kathleen : well its day 4 for me and i think this has been the worst yet.i have been so : tempted to day but i keep telling myself one day at a time…im not going to : smoke today no matter how bad it gets….then it will pass for awhile and : come back stronger but u know something im finally begining to learn after i : messed up that 7 month slip and the one after another after that…im bigger : that those damn friggin ciggs their not going to over take me this time…i : dont give a shit if my family doesnt even have a clue what im going through : life goes on for them they havent even said a word about smoking not one : damn word but u can bet ur sweet ass if i were smokeing i would be getting : hell raised on me right now so i have come to the conclusion it all up to me : and i know im the only one that can do it but shit i would like a friggin : pat on the back every once in a while …..this is the only place that knows : what im going through and im so glad i have you..i havent psted in a few : days because i have been busy going to damn drs. now i have to start some : thearpy and excerice which is going to be hard on my painful body but their : again only i can do it…the dr said i have to go through pain to ease : pain….now that doesnt make a damn bit of since to me but who am i to say : im just a friggin hairdresser that cant work right now and on top of all : that i cant chomp on sweets because im a diabetic and i have so damn many : caps and bridges its hard and hurts to eat raw veggies and i have that : problem where my food gets stuck in my throat and wont go down so i have to : watch that….right now i would be happy if i could chew nails….but the : bottom line is im not smokeing and dont want to and realize im the ONLY one : that can do it…whewwwwwwwwwww i didnt know all that was in me im sorry but : thanks group for letting me say this and i hope not get mad like my friggin : family would if i said anything to them…….Three days, 17 hours, 13 : minutes and 43 seconds. 111 cigarettes not smoked, saving $14.87. Life : saved: 9 hours, 15 minutes…….just one day at a time…..hugs : Patsy…..not to mention my nerves are all to hell : sit here asking my self why why were u so stupid to take that first puff

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Patsy ….. wow!!! i love your post…. it made me smile <in a nice way> not only *Patting Patsys back* ..but ..*applauding* your words too …. psst… Bob Wheeler holds Dumb Ass #1 title and he had it tough for over a year to stay quit and Miss Maggie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> well its day 4 for me and i think this has been the worst yet.i have been so > tempted to day but i keep telling myself one day at a time…im not going to > smoke today no matter how bad it gets….then it will pass for awhile and > come back stronger but u know something im finally begining to learn after i > messed up that 7 month slip and the one after another after that…im bigger > that those damn friggin ciggs their not going to over take me this time…i > dont give a shit if my family doesnt even have a clue what im going through > life goes on for them they havent even said a word about smoking not one > damn word but u can bet ur sweet ass if i were smokeing i would be getting > hell raised on me right now so i have come to the conclusion it all up to me > and i know im the only one that can do it but shit i would like a friggin > pat on the back every once in a while …..this is the only place that knows > what im going through and im so glad i have you..i havent psted in a few > days because i have been busy going to damn drs. now i have to start some > thearpy and excerice which is going to be hard on my painful body but their > again only i can do it…the dr said i have to go through pain to ease > pain….now that doesnt make a damn bit of since to me but who am i to say > im just a friggin hairdresser that cant work right now and on top of all > that i cant chomp on sweets because im a diabetic and i have so damn many > caps and bridges its hard and hurts to eat raw veggies and i have that > problem where my food gets stuck in my throat and wont go down so i have to > watch that….right now i would be happy if i could chew nails….but the > bottom line is im not smokeing and dont want to and realize im the ONLY one > that can do it…whewwwwwwwwwww i didnt know all that was in me im sorry but > thanks group for letting me say this and i hope not get mad like my friggin > family would if i said anything to them…….Three days, 17 hours, 13 > minutes and 43 seconds. 111 cigarettes not smoked, saving $14.87. Life > saved: 9 hours, 15 minutes…….just one day at a time…..hugs > sit here asking my self why why were u so stupid to take that first puff

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thank you everyone for ur replys you all are the best…i swear i just cant get over how close we be can become in here by just words and support i just want all of u to know i love you all to death and i mean that from my heart…..ok tears are comimg and its bed time so i mad it through this awful day smoke free and still dont want to smoke just what its doing to my body but look what smokeing did to my lungs…..goodnite all and GOD BLESS….Patsy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Patsy, > You are going through what I did on my 10th day I believe.  The urge > to smoke was so hard that day, and I was like you are, calling myself > all sorts of names for having smoked.  I honestly think I could have > killed that day, I felt so horrible.  But I hung in there and now I am > on my 6th week   There are still times the urge is soooo strong, > but I remind myself of all the progress I have made since 11/20/02. > My house smells better, my clothes smell better, I can walk a mile a > day now without my legs screaming out in pain.  I look better too!  I > believe that is what makes me the happiest about quitting.  The > compliments I have had on how I look.  My brother in law, the RN, said > I no longer look like a vampire…all pale.  I have color now in my > face!  Yes I am being vain, but who cares what it takes to make us > either quit or stay quit? <G> > Take it one day at a time Patsy, or if you have to, one hour, one > minute at a time. > It does get easier.  And this group is fantastic at support and > lending that ear when one needs to rant and really blow off some > steam! > deb > I have been smoke free for : 1 month, 2 weeks, 1 day, 3 hours, 59 > minutes and 47 seconds. 1580 cigarettes not smoked, money saved > $375.44. I have added this much time to my life: 5 days, 11 hours, 40 > minutes. And I feel great!!!!!

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Hi Patsy, You are going through what I did on my 10th day I believe.  The urge to smoke was so hard that day, and I was like you are, calling myself all sorts of names for having smoked.  I honestly think I could have killed that day, I felt so horrible.  But I hung in there and now I am on my 6th week   There are still times the urge is soooo strong, but I remind myself of all the progress I have made since 11/20/02. My house smells better, my clothes smell better, I can walk a mile a day now without my legs screaming out in pain.  I look better too!  I believe that is what makes me the happiest about quitting.  The compliments I have had on how I look.  My brother in law, the RN, said I no longer look like a vampire…all pale.  I have color now in my face!  Yes I am being vain, but who cares what it takes to make us either quit or stay quit? <G> Take it one day at a time Patsy, or if you have to, one hour, one minute at a time. It does get easier.  And this group is fantastic at support and lending that ear when one needs to rant and really blow off some steam! deb I have been smoke free for : 1 month, 2 weeks, 1 day, 3 hours, 59 minutes and 47 seconds. 1580 cigarettes not smoked, money saved $375.44. I have added this much time to my life: 5 days, 11 hours, 40 minutes. And I feel great!!!!!

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Patsy, I never reply to your posts, but just want you to have this HUGE pat on the back, and HUGE hug.  I never reply because I always feel so sad when I read your posts, because of the fibromyalgia and the lack of support from your family, you’re having such a hard time of it lately.  And I never know what to say.  Just want you to know that I’m really pulling for you.  You KNOW you can do it, because you did it for 7 months.  Now it’s time to do it forever!  This place is amazing at pats on the back.  So come here when you don’t get any from your family, okay? Rah Rah Patsy! Willene Three months, four days, 21 hours, 25 minutes and 36 seconds. 1917 cigarettes not smoked, saving $762.68. Life saved: 6 days, 15 hours, 45 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> well its day 4 for me and i think this has been the worst yet.i have been so > tempted to day but i keep telling myself one day at a time…im not going to > smoke today no matter how bad it gets….then it will pass for awhile and > come back stronger but u know something im finally begining to learn after i > messed up that 7 month slip and the one after another after that…im bigger > that those damn friggin ciggs their not going to over take me this time…i > dont give a shit if my family doesnt even have a clue what im going through > life goes on for them they havent even said a word about smoking not one > damn word but u can bet ur sweet ass if i were smokeing i would be getting > hell raised on me right now so i have come to the conclusion it all up to me > and i know im the only one that can do it but shit i would like a friggin > pat on the back every once in a while …..this is the only place that knows > what im going through and im so glad i have you..i havent psted in a few > days because i have been busy going to damn drs. now i have to start some > thearpy and excerice which is going to be hard on my painful body but their > again only i can do it…the dr said i have to go through pain to ease > pain….now that doesnt make a damn bit of since to me but who am i to say > im just a friggin hairdresser that cant work right now and on top of all > that i cant chomp on sweets because im a diabetic and i have so damn many > caps and bridges its hard and hurts to eat raw veggies and i have that > problem where my food gets stuck in my throat and wont go down so i have to > watch that….right now i would be happy if i could chew nails….but the > bottom line is im not smokeing and dont want to and realize im the ONLY one > that can do it…whewwwwwwwwwww i didnt know all that was in me im sorry but > thanks group for letting me say this and i hope not get mad like my friggin > family would if i said anything to them…….Three days, 17 hours, 13 > minutes and 43 seconds. 111 cigarettes not smoked, saving $14.87. Life > saved: 9 hours, 15 minutes…….just one day at a time…..hugs > sit here asking my self why why were u so stupid to take that first puff

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> well its day 4 for me and i think this has been the worst yet.

You are doing so great Patsy, congrats on 4 hard days!  Exercise does help with chronic pain.  I have arthritis and if I don’t get out and do something, I get even stiffer and have more pain.  It hurts to get to that point, but it is like quitting, it is so worth it!! — mc I haven’t lost my mind, It is backed up on disk somewhere. http://mcgonzalez.home.att.net/meter.html

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Nice rant Patsy. I give you a 9. It would have been a 10, but not enuff swear words. Screw the family if they don’t have a clue. You will do it without them. You are doing great. Keep up the good work. Nice job <patting you on the back>. DianaK

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Hang in there, Patsy. Remember, the only way OUT is THRU. You HAVE to get past this stage (day 4). If you hang on, One Day At A Time, you will come to greener pastures. But you can’t get to that easier place if you don’t grit your teeth and Hang On!! Your family doesn’t have a clue because they aren’t addicted to smoking cigarettes. They are having a normal day, and you are suffering. And the only difference is the addiction. So why would you want to go back to that? Nope, you don’t. Drink water or chamomile tea. Deep breathe. Go to bed early. Tomorrow is another day. And tell the nicodemon that smoking is NOT an option. You can do this!! Kita – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > well its day 4 for me and i think this has been the worst yet.i have been so > tempted to day but i keep telling myself one day at a time…im not going to > smoke today no matter how bad it gets….then it will pass for awhile and > come back stronger but u know something im finally begining to learn after i > messed up that 7 month slip and the one after another after that…im bigger > that those damn friggin ciggs their not going to over take me this time…i > dont give a shit if my family doesnt even have a clue what im going through > life goes on for them they havent even said a word about smoking not one > damn word but u can bet ur sweet ass if i were smokeing i would be getting > hell raised on me right now so i have come to the conclusion it all up to me > and i know im the only one that can do it but shit i would like a friggin > pat on the back every once in a while …..this is the only place that knows > what im going through and im so glad i have you..i havent psted in a few > days because i have been busy going to damn drs. now i have to start some > thearpy and excerice which is going to be hard on my painful body but their > again only i can do it…the dr said i have to go through pain to ease > pain….now that doesnt make a damn bit of since to me but who am i to say > im just a friggin hairdresser that cant work right now and on top of all > that i cant chomp on sweets because im a diabetic and i have so damn many > caps and bridges its hard and hurts to eat raw veggies and i have that > problem where my food gets stuck in my throat and wont go down so i have to > watch that….right now i would be happy if i could chew nails….but the > bottom line is im not smokeing and dont want to and realize im the ONLY one > that can do it…whewwwwwwwwwww i didnt know all that was in me im sorry but > thanks group for letting me say this and i hope not get mad like my friggin > family would if i said anything to them…….Three days, 17 hours, 13 > minutes and 43 seconds. 111 cigarettes not smoked, saving $14.87. Life > saved: 9 hours, 15 minutes…….just one day at a time…..hugs > sit here asking my self why why were u so stupid to take that first puff

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Day 4…what an achievement Patsy. Living with constant pain is so exhausting…but exercise truly does help. 6 years ago I had a head on crash with a truck, and was lucky to get away with relatively minor injuries. I had a month off work to let things heal (broken collarbone, head injury, neck and spinal injuries, hip injury)…then the pain hit. For four years I was suffering daily, living on anti inflammatories and pain killers, seeing chiropractors, physiotherapists, acupuncuturists. Nothing helped. I gained a whole pile of weight and got very depressed. Someone suggested yoga and I have been doing that for 2 years now. Within three months I was virtually pain free, and only get flare ups now when I overdo stuff. I take about one anti inflammatory pill a month compared with almost daily doses. What I guess I am trying to say is, explore ways to ease the pain. Be it exercise, walking, yoga or stretching. You can only gain. And you will feel so much better for it hon… As for your family…blow them. Quit for you. Work it out for you. Be proud of how far you have come… All the best Paula

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> well its day 4 for me and i think this has been the worst yet.i have been so > tempted to day but i keep telling myself one day at a time…im not going to > smoke today no matter how bad it gets….then it will pass for awhile and > come back stronger but u know something im finally begining to learn after i > messed up that 7 month slip and the one after another after that…im bigger > that those damn friggin ciggs their not going to over take me this time…i > dont give a shit if my family doesnt even have a clue what im going through > life goes on for them they havent even said a word about smoking not one > damn word but u can bet ur sweet ass if i were smokeing i would be getting > hell raised on me right now so i have come to the conclusion it all up to me > and i know im the only one that can do it but shit i would like a friggin > pat on the back every once in a while …..this is the only place that knows > what im going through and im so glad i have you..i havent psted in a few > days because i have been busy going to damn drs. now i have to start some > thearpy and excerice which is going to be hard on my painful body but their > again only i can do it…the dr said i have to go through pain to ease > pain….now that doesnt make a damn bit of since to me but who am i to say > im just a friggin hairdresser that cant work right now and on top of all > that i cant chomp on sweets because im a diabetic and i have so damn many > caps and bridges its hard and hurts to eat raw veggies and i have that > problem where my food gets stuck in my throat and wont go down so i have to > watch that….right now i would be happy if i could chew nails….but the > bottom line is im not smokeing and dont want to and realize im the ONLY one > that can do it…whewwwwwwwwwww i didnt know all that was in me im sorry but > thanks group for letting me say this and i hope not get mad like my friggin > family would if i said anything to them…….Three days, 17 hours, 13 > minutes and 43 seconds. 111 cigarettes not smoked, saving $14.87. Life > saved: 9 hours, 15 minutes…….just one day at a time…..hugs > sit here asking my self why why were u so stupid to take that first puff

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Hey!!! Patsy, Hang in there girl!!! You will do it. There’s no doubt in my mind. Just hang in there. It will get easier. And don’t forget to smile once in a while – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > well its day 4 for me and i think this has been the worst yet.i have been so > tempted to day but i keep telling myself one day at a time…im not going to > smoke today no matter how bad it gets….then it will pass for awhile and > come back stronger but u know something im finally begining to learn after i > messed up that 7 month slip and the one after another after that…im bigger > that those damn friggin ciggs their not going to over take me this time…i > dont give a shit if my family doesnt even have a clue what im going through > life goes on for them they havent even said a word about smoking not one > damn word but u can bet ur sweet ass if i were smokeing i would be getting > hell raised on me right now so i have come to the conclusion it all up to me > and i know im the only one that can do it but shit i would like a friggin > pat on the back every once in a while …..this is the only place that knows > what im going through and im so glad i have you..i havent psted in a few > days because i have been busy going to damn drs. now i have to start some > thearpy and excerice which is going to be hard on my painful body but their > again only i can do it…the dr said i have to go through pain to ease > pain….now that doesnt make a damn bit of since to me but who am i to say > im just a friggin hairdresser that cant work right now and on top of all > that i cant chomp on sweets because im a diabetic and i have so damn many > caps and bridges its hard and hurts to eat raw veggies and i have that > problem where my food gets stuck in my throat and wont go down so i have to > watch that….right now i would be happy if i could chew nails….but the > bottom line is im not smokeing and dont want to and realize im the ONLY one > that can do it…whewwwwwwwwwww i didnt know all that was in me im sorry but > thanks group for letting me say this and i hope not get mad like my friggin > family would if i said anything to them…….Three days, 17 hours, 13 > minutes and 43 seconds. 111 cigarettes not smoked, saving $14.87. Life > saved: 9 hours, 15 minutes…….just one day at a time…..hugs > sit here asking my self why why were u so stupid to take that first puff

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Very nice meter my friend, yes indeed. Congrats! on making it through all the rough spots. Hope the exercise helps ease the pain. Keep that meter tickin’ Patsy! peace, mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Three days, 17 hours, 13 > minutes and 43 seconds. 111 cigarettes not smoked, saving $14.87. Life > saved: 9 hours, 15 minutes…….just one day at a time…..hugs > Patsy

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Nice rant Patsy and you sound so determinded I just know you are going to make this quit stick this time. Purpledawn Three days, 19 hours, 8 minutes and 42 seconds. 75 cigarettes not smoked, saving $10.82. Life saved: 6 hours, 15 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> well its day 4 for me and i think this has been the worst yet.i have been so > tempted to day but i keep telling myself one day at a time…im not going to > smoke today no matter how bad it gets….then it will pass for awhile and > come back stronger but u know something im finally begining to learn after i > messed up that 7 month slip and the one after another after that…im bigger > that those damn friggin ciggs their not going to over take me this time…i > dont give a shit if my family doesnt even have a clue what im going through > life goes on for them they havent even said a word about smoking not one > damn word but u can bet ur sweet ass if i were smokeing i would be getting > hell raised on me right now so i have come to the conclusion it all up to me > and i know im the only one that can do it but shit i would like a friggin > pat on the back every once in a while …..this is the only place that knows > what im going through and im so glad i have you..i havent psted in a few > days because i have been busy going to damn drs. now i have to start some > thearpy and excerice which is going to be hard on my painful body but their > again only i can do it…the dr said i have to go through pain to ease > pain….now that doesnt make a damn bit of since to me but who am i to say > im just a friggin hairdresser that cant work right now and on top of all > that i cant chomp on sweets because im a diabetic and i have so damn many > caps and bridges its hard and hurts to eat raw veggies and i have that > problem where my food gets stuck in my throat and wont go down so i have to > watch that….right now i would be happy if i could chew nails….but the > bottom line is im not smokeing and dont want to and realize im the ONLY one > that can do it…whewwwwwwwwwww i didnt know all that was in me im sorry but > thanks group for letting me say this and i hope not get mad like my friggin > family would if i said anything to them…….Three days, 17 hours, 13 > minutes and 43 seconds. 111 cigarettes not smoked, saving $14.87. Life > saved: 9 hours, 15 minutes…….just one day at a time…..hugs > sit here asking my self why why were u so stupid to take that first puff

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Hi Patsy.  You are not dumb.  You are trying to quit, right?  I’d say that was very smart.  We all do dumb things though.  I do understand that.  We just do different dumb things.  <smile>  I am at 7 months quit right now and this post of your’s is right on time for me.  I do not want to go back to smoking.  I’ll tell ya.  Exercise is a great way to get rid of pain.  I hurt my back when I was a child and didn’t know until I was an adult that I could do things to make it stop hurting.  No one told me.  It won’t be long before you are feeling better from exercising.  Don’t be sorry for coming here to rant.  It does a body good.  I wish I could do it as well as you.  :)  Come back often.  Day 4 was the worst for me. Kim 7M

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> well its day 4 for me and i think this has been the worst yet.i have been so > tempted to day but i keep telling myself one day at a time…im not going to > smoke today no matter how bad it gets….then it will pass for awhile and > come back stronger but u know something im finally begining to learn after i > messed up that 7 month slip and the one after another after that…im bigger > that those damn friggin ciggs their not going to over take me this time…i > dont give a shit if my family doesnt even have a clue what im going through > life goes on for them they havent even said a word about smoking not one > damn word but u can bet ur sweet ass if i were smokeing i would be getting > hell raised on me right now so i have come to the conclusion it all up to me > and i know im the only one that can do it but shit i would like a friggin > pat on the back every once in a while …..this is the only place that knows > what im going through and im so glad i have you..i havent psted in a few > days because i have been busy going to damn drs. now i have to start some > thearpy and excerice which is going to be hard on my painful body but their > again only i can do it…the dr said i have to go through pain to ease > pain….now that doesnt make a damn bit of since to me but who am i to say > im just a friggin hairdresser that cant work right now and on top of all > that i cant chomp on sweets because im a diabetic and i have so damn many > caps and bridges its hard and hurts to eat raw veggies and i have that > problem where my food gets stuck in my throat and wont go down so i have to > watch that….right now i would be happy if i could chew nails….but the > bottom line is im not smokeing and dont want to and realize im the ONLY one > that can do it…whewwwwwwwwwww i didnt know all that was in me im sorry but > thanks group for letting me say this and i hope not get mad like my friggin > family would if i said anything to them…….Three days, 17 hours, 13 > minutes and 43 seconds. 111 cigarettes not smoked, saving $14.87. Life > saved: 9 hours, 15 minutes…….just one day at a time…..hugs > sit here asking my self why why were u so stupid to take that first puff

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well its day 4 for me and i think this has been the worst yet.i have been so tempted to day but i keep telling myself one day at a time…im not going to smoke today no matter how bad it gets….then it will pass for awhile and come back stronger but u know something im finally begining to learn after i messed up that 7 month slip and the one after another after that…im bigger that those damn friggin ciggs their not going to over take me this time…i dont give a shit if my family doesnt even have a clue what im going through life goes on for them they havent even said a word about smoking not one damn word but u can bet ur sweet ass if i were smokeing i would be getting hell raised on me right now so i have come to the conclusion it all up to me and i know im the only one that can do it but shit i would like a friggin pat on the back every once in a while …..this is the only place that knows what im going through and im so glad i have you..i havent psted in a few days because i have been busy going to damn drs. now i have to start some thearpy and excerice which is going to be hard on my painful body but their again only i can do it…the dr said i have to go through pain to ease pain….now that doesnt make a damn bit of since to me but who am i to say im just a friggin hairdresser that cant work right now and on top of all that i cant chomp on sweets because im a diabetic and i have so damn many caps and bridges its hard and hurts to eat raw veggies and i have that problem where my food gets stuck in my throat and wont go down so i have to watch that….right now i would be happy if i could chew nails….but the bottom line is im not smokeing and dont want to and realize im the ONLY one that can do it…whewwwwwwwwwww i didnt know all that was in me im sorry but thanks group for letting me say this and i hope not get mad like my friggin family would if i said anything to them…….Three days, 17 hours, 13 minutes and 43 seconds. 111 cigarettes not smoked, saving $14.87. Life saved: 9 hours, 15 minutes…….just one day at a time…..hugs sit here asking my self why why were u so stupid to take that first puff

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Chris, Forget the Chiropractor and go straight to your general practicioner and request an MRI etc. Your GP will know where to refer you from there depending on the results. Judy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ll follow the advice from both posts and see a chiropractor. I > suspect I have more than bunched muscles e.g. slipped disc. > Cheers, > Chris

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LOL   Ok, Hi! Chris!      FATHER of twins. Got it! In that case, you may not need putting back together. Sorry you’re hurting, and hope you have success really soon in finding the cause.      Yup, your babies need Daddy hugs, too…good 4 you. Congrats to the Dad Hugs from Rosie — "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself."  – Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II

> If you’re having Scatica I suggest you go back to your GP and request > further testing such as a possible MRI etc. Scatica is a sign that > there’s possibly disc involvement and I’d be extremely careful until > this is ruled out. If you do have discs involved then your GP should > refer you to an orthopedic surgeon or neurosurgeon. > Judy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I recommend seeing a good chiropractor. The pelvic bones and lower > > spine don’t always go back into place correctly after giving birth, esp. > > twins! Congrats. > >      I hadta get put back in place 3 times, once after each son. Walking was > > nearly impossible until I got put together again. I’m hypermobile, so the > > getting outta whack and the pain was more extreme than normal Moms. > >      Good luck to ya! > > Hugs from Rosie > > — > Hi Rosie: > Easy mistake, my fault – I am the father! I have the misfortune to be > six foot three and the main childcarer, my height proving a > disadvantage. > I was there at the birth though. Caesarian – messy business! > I’ll follow the advice from both posts and see a chiropractor. I > suspect I have more than bunched muscles e.g. slipped disc. > Cheers, > Chris > > "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself."  – Meat Loaf, Bat > > Outta Hell II > > > After months of bending over to pick up twin babies, my back crooked > > > very low down and I now have some scoliosis. My body is straight up to > > > the hip but then veers off to the left. My GP says the muscles are > > > bunched and gave some advice and pain relief. (I hope a discc is not > > > damaged.) I also have sciatica – numb left leg, very unpleasant > > > shooting pains along the nerve – and the back thing fluctuates between > > > starting-to-improve and going back to the same as before. > > > I take non-steroid anti-inlammatories and standard paracetamols > > > (nothing stronger, don’t want the side effect risk). Also hot baths, > > > Ralgex cream and hot water bottles. Will visit to an osteopath in a > > > week. > > > Any other suggestions? My twins need parental cuddles!

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After months of bending over to pick up twin babies, my back crooked very low down and I now have some scoliosis. My body is straight up to the hip but then veers off to the left. My GP says the muscles are bunched and gave some advice and pain relief. (I hope a discc is not damaged.) I also have sciatica – numb left leg, very unpleasant shooting pains along the nerve – and the back thing fluctuates between starting-to-improve and going back to the same as before. I take non-steroid anti-inlammatories and standard paracetamols (nothing stronger, don’t want the side effect risk). Also hot baths, Ralgex cream and hot water bottles. Will visit to an osteopath in a week. Any other suggestions? My twins need parental cuddles!

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      I recommend seeing a good chiropractor. The pelvic bones and lower spine don’t always go back into place correctly after giving birth, esp. twins! Congrats.      I hadta get put back in place 3 times, once after each son. Walking was nearly impossible until I got put together again. I’m hypermobile, so the getting outta whack and the pain was more extreme than normal Moms.      Good luck to ya! Hugs from Rosie — "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself."  – Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After months of bending over to pick up twin babies, my back crooked > very low down and I now have some scoliosis. My body is straight up to > the hip but then veers off to the left. My GP says the muscles are > bunched and gave some advice and pain relief. (I hope a discc is not > damaged.) I also have sciatica – numb left leg, very unpleasant > shooting pains along the nerve – and the back thing fluctuates between > starting-to-improve and going back to the same as before. > I take non-steroid anti-inlammatories and standard paracetamols > (nothing stronger, don’t want the side effect risk). Also hot baths, > Ralgex cream and hot water bottles. Will visit to an osteopath in a > week. > Any other suggestions? My twins need parental cuddles!

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If you’re having Scatica I suggest you go back to your GP and request further testing such as a possible MRI etc. Scatica is a sign that there’s possibly disc involvement and I’d be extremely careful until this is ruled out. If you do have discs involved then your GP should refer you to an orthopedic surgeon or neurosurgeon. Judy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I recommend seeing a good chiropractor. The pelvic bones and lower > spine don’t always go back into place correctly after giving birth, esp. > twins! Congrats. >      I hadta get put back in place 3 times, once after each son. Walking was > nearly impossible until I got put together again. I’m hypermobile, so the > getting outta whack and the pain was more extreme than normal Moms. >      Good luck to ya! > Hugs from Rosie > — > "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself."  – Meat Loaf, Bat > Outta Hell II > After months of bending over to pick up twin babies, my back crooked > very low down and I now have some scoliosis. My body is straight up to > the hip but then veers off to the left. My GP says the muscles are > bunched and gave some advice and pain relief. (I hope a discc is not > damaged.) I also have sciatica – numb left leg, very unpleasant > shooting pains along the nerve – and the back thing fluctuates between > starting-to-improve and going back to the same as before. > I take non-steroid anti-inlammatories and standard paracetamols > (nothing stronger, don’t want the side effect risk). Also hot baths, > Ralgex cream and hot water bottles. Will visit to an osteopath in a > week. > Any other suggestions? My twins need parental cuddles!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > If you’re having Scatica I suggest you go back to your GP and request > further testing such as a possible MRI etc. Scatica is a sign that > there’s possibly disc involvement and I’d be extremely careful until > this is ruled out. If you do have discs involved then your GP should > refer you to an orthopedic surgeon or neurosurgeon. > Judy > I recommend seeing a good chiropractor. The pelvic bones and lower > spine don’t always go back into place correctly after giving birth, esp. > twins! Congrats. >      I hadta get put back in place 3 times, once after each son. Walking was > nearly impossible until I got put together again. I’m hypermobile, so the > getting outta whack and the pain was more extreme than normal Moms. >      Good luck to ya! > Hugs from Rosie > —

Hi Rosie: Easy mistake, my fault – I am the father! I have the misfortune to be six foot three and the main childcarer, my height proving a disadvantage. I was there at the birth though. Caesarian – messy business! I’ll follow the advice from both posts and see a chiropractor. I suspect I have more than bunched muscles e.g. slipped disc. Cheers, Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself."  – Meat Loaf, Bat > Outta Hell II > > After months of bending over to pick up twin babies, my back crooked > > very low down and I now have some scoliosis. My body is straight up to > > the hip but then veers off to the left. My GP says the muscles are > > bunched and gave some advice and pain relief. (I hope a discc is not > > damaged.) I also have sciatica – numb left leg, very unpleasant > > shooting pains along the nerve – and the back thing fluctuates between > > starting-to-improve and going back to the same as before. > > I take non-steroid anti-inlammatories and standard paracetamols > > (nothing stronger, don’t want the side effect risk). Also hot baths, > > Ralgex cream and hot water bottles. Will visit to an osteopath in a > > week. > > Any other suggestions? My twins need parental cuddles!

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Joy: I started renting one in May. (The insurance company started renting it – now it is paid for – I can keep it.)  It is VERY HELPFUL on bad days.  I’ll wear it while working at my desk sometimes, or will put it on at night and let it run for an hour. Martin   I had to suggest it to my doctor and go through physical therapy to get   it.   LOVE AND BLESSINGS

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p.s.  Sorry for posting my reply a million times.  my ISP had problems over the weekend……. Martin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Joy, yes, I’ve used a TENS unit for 13 years.  I’ve had them prescribed by > my chiropractor.  Couldn’t have made it without it.  It helps tremendously! > (Warning, though:  I don’t think people on this newsgroup like html and > music in the posts!)  {*_*} > Sincerely, > Editor > I had to suggest it to my doctor and go through physical therapy to get > it. > LOVE AND BLESSINGS > I tried TENS about 5 years ago (prescribed by doc, through PT), and had > some benefit from it at first. Over time (a few months), it actually > seemed to cause more pain than it helped (sort of irritated the muscles > too much) – I have spasming muscles in my upper back from cervical spo > ndylosis. I also had great difficulty getting electrodes of any kind to > stay put between the hair I have on my body and my tendency to sweat. > Given those things, it didn’t work out for me, but I have known others > that got great help from TENS for long periods of time. > RoryDog

I have had the same results as RoryDog since my surgery last year. Before the surgery it worked pretty well on bad days.

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Glad it is working for you. LOVE AND BLESSINGS

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I have used a variety of TENS units over the years.  I have found that they *can* help, but I seemed to get used to it after a while & the effect was less and less.  Definately worth a try though. D

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Joy, yes, I’ve used a TENS unit for 13 years.  I’ve had them prescribed by > my chiropractor.  Couldn’t have made it without it.  It helps tremendously! > (Warning, though:  I don’t think people on this newsgroup like html and > music in the posts!)  {*_*} > Sincerely, > Editor > I had to suggest it to my doctor and go through physical therapy to get > it. > LOVE AND BLESSINGS > I tried TENS about 5 years ago (prescribed by doc, through PT), and had > some benefit from it at first. Over time (a few months), it actually > seemed to cause more pain than it helped (sort of irritated the muscles > too much) – I have spasming muscles in my upper back from cervical spo > ndylosis. I also had great difficulty getting electrodes of any kind to > stay put between the hair I have on my body and my tendency to sweat. > Given those things, it didn’t work out for me, but I have known others > that got great help from TENS for long periods of time. > RoryDog

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I had to suggest it to my doctor and go through physical therapy to get it. LOVE AND BLESSINGS

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Joy, yes, I’ve used a TENS unit for 13 years.  I’ve had them prescribed by my chiropractor.  Couldn’t have made it without it.  It helps tremendously! (Warning, though:  I don’t think people on this newsgroup like html and music in the posts!)  {*_*} Sincerely, Editor I had to suggest it to my doctor and go through physical therapy to get it. LOVE AND BLESSINGS —-

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> Joy, yes, I’ve used a TENS unit for 13 years.  I’ve had them prescribed by > my chiropractor.  Couldn’t have made it without it.  It helps tremendously! > (Warning, though:  I don’t think people on this newsgroup like html and > music in the posts!)  {*_*} > Sincerely, > Editor > I had to suggest it to my doctor and go through physical therapy to get > it. > LOVE AND BLESSINGS

I tried TENS about 5 years ago (prescribed by doc, through PT), and had some benefit from it at first. Over time (a few months), it actually seemed to cause more pain than it helped (sort of irritated the muscles too much) – I have spasming muscles in my upper back from cervical spo ndylosis. I also had great difficulty getting electrodes of any kind to stay put between the hair I have on my body and my tendency to sweat. Given those things, it didn’t work out for me, but I have known others that got great help from TENS for long periods of time. RoryDog

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Yea, I agree with Ishmael your doc is way too laid back about his approach to pain management or the lack there of.  I know from being in similar shoes earlier the doctor was reluctant to prescribe pain meds to me.  We had an extreme "heart to heart" where I described how sever the pain was and how it effected all of life’s activities.  They don’t seem to want to move unless you give them a bit of a push and then stick to your guns.  That is when they start treating you like a junkie, and all you want is your pain controlled so you can have some part of your life back.  Good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A lot of us have been in your shoes.  If you are still really hurting, have > an open and frank discussion with your doctor about "aggressive" pain > control. > I had an injury to L4/L5, with the same symptoms you are describing.  I > tried physical therapy, weight loss, muscle relaxers, some injections, > NSAIDS…  I just couldn’t tolerate the pain anymore.  I spoke with my > doctor about doing "aggressive pain control".  He started oxycontin with > Lortab for breakthrough pain.  Some doctors (unfortunately and – in my > opinion – cruelly) feel more comfortable doing invasive procedures than > prescribing medications which are tried and true.  I since have had surgery > but am having other problems in my back now.  If you do eventually need > surgery, or if it can be avoided, there is no reason for you to suffer and > put your entire existence on hold because of the pain. > I’d have an open and honest talk with your doctor.  Tell him/her just how > the pain is affecting your entire life.  Be very open and honest. > Good luck.  This is a good group to come to – many of us really can relate. > pain sucks!!! > Martin > Hi,,,I’m new to this. I’ve been suffering with persistent back pain in my > lumbar & SI areas with pain sometimes in my but thighs & feet. I have > intermittent numbness & tingling on my left calf & foot. I have been bed > ridden & on off disability since 5/02. I supposedly did all this gardening > but I also visited a chiropractor 4 days into it & I haven’t been the same > since, I’ve been to an orthopedic surgeon who said leave it alone & if it > doesn’t get better they/’d inject cortisone, I then went o a neurosurgeon > who tried bracing it with no positive results…he did finally do a CT > mylegram that showed mild  to moderate "bulging "in 3-4 different > locations > in my lumbar spine & should get an epidermal. U unfortunately neither of > the > doctors he wanted me to go kto took my insurance. So I’m now seeing the > Pain > Clinic at another local hospital. So far I’ve rcvd 2 injections in my > right > SI joint…I had the last one this past Monday so I’m still icing it & > waiting the 5-7 days to see how much relief it gives. If this doesn’t work > I > think they will do an epidermal…if that fails…am I at the end of the > options?

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I really don’t think the docs care that their patients are in pain. I tried explaining this to my doc(s) and the all give me the run-around. I actually faxed 1 of them last night, explaining my situation, and asking her for some pain relief. So far, no answer. What about these duragesic patches? do they work like the lidocaine ones? I know they have opium in them. I need something to sink down and zap away this pain SB

Yea, I agree with Ishmael your doc is way too laid back about his approach to pain management or the lack there of.  I know from being in similar shoes earlier the doctor was reluctant to prescribe pain meds to me.  We had an extreme "heart to heart" where I described how sever the pain was and how it effected all of life’s activities.  They don’t seem to want to move unless you give them a bit of a push and then stick to your guns.  That is when they start treating you like a junkie, and all you want is your pain controlled so you can have some part of your life back.  Good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A lot of us have been in your shoes.  If you are still really hurting, have > an open and frank discussion with your doctor about "aggressive" pain > control. > I had an injury to L4/L5, with the same symptoms you are describing.  I > tried physical therapy, weight loss, muscle relaxers, some injections, > NSAIDS…  I just couldn’t tolerate the pain anymore.  I spoke with my > doctor about doing "aggressive pain control".  He started oxycontin with > Lortab for breakthrough pain.  Some doctors (unfortunately and – in my > opinion – cruelly) feel more comfortable doing invasive procedures than > prescribing medications which are tried and true.  I since have had surgery > but am having other problems in my back now.  If you do eventually need > surgery, or if it can be avoided, there is no reason for you to suffer and > put your entire existence on hold because of the pain. > I’d have an open and honest talk with your doctor.  Tell him/her just how > the pain is affecting your entire life.  Be very open and honest. > Good luck.  This is a good group to come to – many of us really can relate. > pain sucks!!! > Martin > Hi,,,I’m new to this. I’ve been suffering with persistent back pain in my > lumbar & SI areas with pain sometimes in my but thighs & feet. I have > intermittent numbness & tingling on my left calf & foot. I have been bed > ridden & on off disability since 5/02. I supposedly did all this gardening > but I also visited a chiropractor 4 days into it & I haven’t been the same > since, I’ve been to an orthopedic surgeon who said leave it alone & if it > doesn’t get better they/’d inject cortisone, I then went o a neurosurgeon > who tried bracing it with no positive results…he did finally do a CT > mylegram that showed mild  to moderate "bulging "in 3-4 different > locations > in my lumbar spine & should get an epidermal. U unfortunately neither of > the > doctors he wanted me to go kto took my insurance. So I’m now seeing the > Pain > Clinic at another local hospital. So far I’ve rcvd 2 injections in my > right > SI joint…I had the last one this past Monday so I’m still icing it & > waiting the 5-7 days to see how much relief it gives. If this doesn’t work > I > think they will do an epidermal…if that fails…am I at the end of the > options?

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Duragesic is not ususally prescribed to patients that are a) non-malignent and b) have not yet titrated up from weaker opiate medecines.  The first step is to try is the short acting opids (to avoid sched II). If you are not healing, you then need an MD that will work with you to titrate up to a medecine at a dose that will control the pain and restore your life’s functions. If you focus on how it affects your ability to take care of yourself, then the doctors will help you and give you relief. However, it is true that a lot od MDs are scared by drug abusers, and the regulatory agencies. If you start hearing "that is all we can do for you", that translates to "I as an MD do not treat people with schedule II drugs". Very rarely will they admit this, because it hurts their egos to admit that they are afraid to treat their patients. It goes against their hypocratic oath, so they go in to denial in a lot of cases. Trust me on this. There is no reason for anyone to kill themselves over chronoc pain, as long as they can get to the right doctors. Keep pursuring it and come back here if you need to escalate your case beyond what your current doctor(s) will do (medecine-wise).

> I really don’t think the docs care that their patients are in pain. I

tried explaining this to my doc(s) and the all give me > the run-around. I actually faxed 1 of them last night, explaining my

situation, and asking her for some pain relief. So far, > no answer. What about these duragesic patches? do they work like the

lidocaine ones? I know they have opium in them. I need > something to sink down and zap away this pain > SB

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yea, I agree with Ishmael your doc is way too laid back about his approach > to pain management or the lack there of.  I know from being in similar shoes > earlier the doctor was reluctant to prescribe pain meds to me.  We had an > extreme "heart to heart" where I described how sever the pain was and how it > effected all of life’s activities.  They don’t seem to want to move unless > you give them a bit of a push and then stick to your guns.  That is when > they start treating you like a junkie, and all you want is your pain > controlled so you can have some part of your life back.  Good luck. > A lot of us have been in your shoes.  If you are still really hurting, > have > an open and frank discussion with your doctor about "aggressive" pain > control. > I had an injury to L4/L5, with the same symptoms you are describing.  I > tried physical therapy, weight loss, muscle relaxers, some injections, > NSAIDS…  I just couldn’t tolerate the pain anymore.  I spoke with my > doctor about doing "aggressive pain control".  He started oxycontin with > Lortab for breakthrough pain.  Some doctors (unfortunately and – in my > opinion – cruelly) feel more comfortable doing invasive procedures than > prescribing medications which are tried and true.  I since have had > surgery > but am having other problems in my back now.  If you do eventually need > surgery, or if it can be avoided, there is no reason for you to suffer and > put your entire existence on hold because of the pain. > I’d have an open and honest talk with your doctor.  Tell him/her just how > the pain is affecting your entire life.  Be very open and honest. > Good luck.  This is a good group to come to – many of us really can > relate. > pain sucks!!! > Martin > > Hi,,,I’m new to this. I’ve been suffering with persistent back pain in > my > > lumbar & SI areas with pain sometimes in my but thighs & feet. I have > > intermittent numbness & tingling on my left calf & foot. I have been bed > > ridden & on off disability since 5/02. I supposedly did all this > gardening > > but I also visited a chiropractor 4 days into it & I haven’t been the > same > > since, I’ve been to an orthopedic surgeon who said leave it alone & if > it > > doesn’t get better they/’d inject cortisone, I then went o a > neurosurgeon > > who tried bracing it with no positive results…he did finally do a CT > > mylegram that showed mild  to moderate "bulging "in 3-4 different > locations > > in my lumbar spine & should get an epidermal. U unfortunately neither of > the > > doctors he wanted me to go kto took my insurance. So I’m now seeing the > Pain > > Clinic at another local hospital. So far I’ve rcvd 2 injections in my > right > > SI joint…I had the last one this past Monday so I’m still icing it & > > waiting the 5-7 days to see how much relief it gives. If this doesn’t > work > I > > think they will do an epidermal…if that fails…am I at the end of the > > options?

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A lot of us have been in your shoes.  If you are still really hurting, have an open and frank discussion with your doctor about "aggressive" pain control. I had an injury to L4/L5, with the same symptoms you are describing.  I tried physical therapy, weight loss, muscle relaxers, some injections, NSAIDS…  I just couldn’t tolerate the pain anymore.  I spoke with my doctor about doing "aggressive pain control".  He started oxycontin with Lortab for breakthrough pain.  Some doctors (unfortunately and – in my opinion – cruelly) feel more comfortable doing invasive procedures than prescribing medications which are tried and true.  I since have had surgery but am having other problems in my back now.  If you do eventually need surgery, or if it can be avoided, there is no reason for you to suffer and put your entire existence on hold because of the pain. I’d have an open and honest talk with your doctor.  Tell him/her just how the pain is affecting your entire life.  Be very open and honest. Good luck.  This is a good group to come to – many of us really can relate. pain sucks!!! Martin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi,,,I’m new to this. I’ve been suffering with persistent back pain in my > lumbar & SI areas with pain sometimes in my but thighs & feet. I have > intermittent numbness & tingling on my left calf & foot. I have been bed > ridden & on off disability since 5/02. I supposedly did all this gardening > but I also visited a chiropractor 4 days into it & I haven’t been the same > since, I’ve been to an orthopedic surgeon who said leave it alone & if it > doesn’t get better they/’d inject cortisone, I then went o a neurosurgeon > who tried bracing it with no positive results…he did finally do a CT > mylegram that showed mild  to moderate "bulging "in 3-4 different locations > in my lumbar spine & should get an epidermal. U unfortunately neither of the > doctors he wanted me to go kto took my insurance. So I’m now seeing the Pain > Clinic at another local hospital. So far I’ve rcvd 2 injections in my right > SI joint…I had the last one this past Monday so I’m still icing it & > waiting the 5-7 days to see how much relief it gives. If this doesn’t work I > think they will do an epidermal…if that fails…am I at the end of the > options?

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Hi,,,I’m new to this. I’ve been suffering with persistent back pain in my lumbar & SI areas with pain sometimes in my but thighs & feet. I have intermittent numbness & tingling on my left calf & foot. I have been bed ridden & on off disability since 5/02. I supposedly did all this gardening but I also visited a chiropractor 4 days into it & I haven’t been the same since, I’ve been to an orthopedic surgeon who said leave it alone & if it doesn’t get better they/’d inject cortisone, I then went o a neurosurgeon who tried bracing it with no positive results…he did finally do a CT mylegram that showed mild  to moderate "bulging "in 3-4 different locations in my lumbar spine & should get an epidermal. U unfortunately neither of the doctors he wanted me to go kto took my insurance. So I’m now seeing the Pain Clinic at another local hospital. So far I’ve rcvd 2 injections in my right SI joint…I had the last one this past Monday so I’m still icing it & waiting the 5-7 days to see how much relief it gives. If this doesn’t work I think they will do an epidermal…if that fails…am I at the end of the options?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi,,,I’m new to this. I’ve been suffering with persistent back pain in my > lumbar & SI areas with pain sometimes in my but thighs & feet. I have > intermittent numbness & tingling on my left calf & foot. I have been bed > ridden & on off disability since 5/02. I supposedly did all this gardening > but I also visited a chiropractor 4 days into it & I haven’t been the same > since, I’ve been to an orthopedic surgeon who said leave it alone & if it > doesn’t get better they/’d inject cortisone, I then went o a neurosurgeon > who tried bracing it with no positive results…he did finally do a CT > mylegram that showed mild  to moderate "bulging "in 3-4 different locations > in my lumbar spine & should get an epidermal. U unfortunately neither of the > doctors he wanted me to go kto took my insurance. So I’m now seeing the Pain > Clinic at another local hospital. So far I’ve rcvd 2 injections in my right > SI joint…I had the last one this past Monday so I’m still icing it & > waiting the 5-7 days to see how much relief it gives. If this doesn’t work I > think they will do an epidermal…if that fails…am I at the end of the > options?

pretty much, unfortunately lower back L5 -S1 facet joint’s have several nerves that start leaving the spinal cord through your ass and into both legs, If there is any bone or inflammation or even a fracture there will be narrowing  of the nerve causing severe pain! I have DDD and Spodylothesis and they want to do a fusion which I had 3 other surgery’s that where all failure’s so I am not a believer in Surgery being the magical wound that most retarded doctors seem to think, I just wish they could have my pain one day with there family! I guarantee he will prescribe an appropriate medication to mask the pain to make my life as comfortable as possible, You have your own choice to have surgery, unfortunately doctor’s don’t like treating long term Schedule II Narcotics for nonmalignant pain even though there is no law against them treating you that way, Its just the paper work and the drug seekers that make people like us kill our selves. I figure if the U.S. has so much control over a drug that can better one’s life and will not make it easily accessible to the real patients then I would consider changing citizenship and moving to a country where the opium poppy is grown and trafficked to the US for the street dealers, there you can buy a brick as you need it for pain, smoke it or learn to make a gelatin pill that will desolve slowly in your system until you find the exact amount that makes the pain blocked and your function able! If not suicide that would be my plan, Its ashamed to live in a country that starts war for oil and wants every country to be ran like the U.S. who handed the Gods way of life to the Americans? we killed the native Indians that lived on the grounds we live today and we call our selves justified? I’m sorry I do not agree with the U.S. government and it is so curupt like the cops having sex with 14 year old girls! Ya! there is a really screwed up economy, we cannot even balance the deficit and are in debt? Damn I thought the government makes the money so how can they be in debt.? It’s all a political monopoly game of power and rule! (forgive me Lord) F&%# the U.S. Prayers, Doug

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